Yes Ig, that was it, and yes, it has been a long time, 21 years now....I always wondered how that would be dealt with. Thank you.
PS. This should at least add a little more to your breaking point.....
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What was your breaking point?
by soundbox_guy inokay, i'm new as you all probably know, so my question may have been discussed several times in the past.
i'm just curious as to when some of you came to the conclusion that enough was enough and that you didn't want to attend the meetings anymore or not be a jw.
was it in field service, at home, at the hall?
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Religious persons in cults and mainstream.
by greendawn inwhat is it that makes a religious person within a serious religion eg catholic or lutheran different to a religious person in a cult such as the jws?
how is it that a religious catholic or lutheran doesn't become abnormal emotionally whereas a jw does suffer serious imbalances and consequences?
perhaps ex jws that joined a mainstream religion and experienced both worlds can better tell the difference.
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I believe that all religions cause people to suffer even more additional imbalances and consequences, after all life does plenty to keep us unbalanced.... Not because of the religion per se, but because of the infrastructure that each group builds to support their customs and traditions.
It is a human trait to build customs and traditions, we'll try to exclude others and include some, my main problem with most religions is that instead of acknowledging that they're a human construct many religions put the weight of a god behind these structures. After all, it's one thing to argue with another human or humans - quite another thing to argue with god.
After leaving the JWs I attended several different denominations and began to see that a major role played by each of these churches was the identification of self within a specific culture. The same patterns were there as in JWs, it was just that the organization (including the members) were choosing to enter a culture that was more widely accepted than JWs.
In the JWs I believe that a significatnt number of their members truly long to know that one piece of truth that separates them from others. This truth is the kernel that is held to, the kernel that helps them establish their identity in the outside world.
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What was your breaking point?
by soundbox_guy inokay, i'm new as you all probably know, so my question may have been discussed several times in the past.
i'm just curious as to when some of you came to the conclusion that enough was enough and that you didn't want to attend the meetings anymore or not be a jw.
was it in field service, at home, at the hall?
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It's the living of this life waiting for the life after death that broke me. I grew to understand that this life, with all of its imperfections, has to be lived now...you'll be amazed at the highs and lows of real life, life without an artifical plateau of numbing repetition and lemming-like mentality.
On a different note, Luna2, what 'new light about the 1914 generation'?
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My Mother
by funes ini was disfellowshipped when i was 16, it really isn't clear because i stopped going to meetings, left home, etc.
i was 28 before i truly stopped believing and have grown to love every day of life i've had the privilege to live.
my mother was a missionary, my brother lives at one of the farms, one of my sisters is a special pioneer overseas and my other sister is a special pioneer in the states.. .
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Thank you guys, I accidentally posted this question twice ...
but it's clear that reinstatement isn't the path to take. Gary, your post was the nail in the coffin - I'm so sorry.
Given how shrouded in secrecy this organization is I am going to write Brooklyn and see what shakes out. Does anyone know what department to write to request your records?
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My mother and my son
by funes ini was disfellowshipped when i was 16, it really isn't clear because i stopped going to meetings, left home, etc.
i was 28 before i truly stopped believing and have grown to love every day of life i've had the privilege to live.
my mother was a missionary, my brother lives at one of the farms, one of my sisters is a special pioneer overseas and my other sister is a special pioneer in the states.. .
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funes
After a night's sleep and reading even more posts it's clear that reinstatement is the wrong path.
Jaffacake, In my mother's case JW is so deeply intertwined with her identity I doubt she could take the psychological stress (baptized at 12, my dad died when we denied transfusion, etc.). I will just have to let her make her own choices and be ready to help in any way.
Thanks to all of you for your support
(sorry about the double post, first time posting error)
PS. I do think I'll write Brooklyn however, anyone know what department to write?
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My mother and my son
by funes ini was disfellowshipped when i was 16, it really isn't clear because i stopped going to meetings, left home, etc.
i was 28 before i truly stopped believing and have grown to love every day of life i've had the privilege to live.
my mother was a missionary, my brother lives at one of the farms, one of my sisters is a special pioneer overseas and my other sister is a special pioneer in the states.. .
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Hello All,
I was disfellowshipped when I was 16, it really isn't clear because I stopped going to meetings, left home, etc. I was 28 before I truly stopped believing and have grown to love every day of life I've had the privilege to live.
My Mother was a missionary, my brother lives at one of the farms, one of my sisters is a special pioneer overseas and my other sister is a special pioneer in the states.
Here's the problem. My little boy is now 18 months old and his grandmother loves him dearly. She has visited twice, even staying with us for a week each time. However after the last visit it appears that my siblings gathered together and discussed things with her. She visited in January and only now, in June, did she even mention that something happened. She still won't tell me the entire story because she can't stop sobbing.
I spent tonight searching the forums for reinstatement stories - it doesn't look that great. If I tried the reinstatement and fade away route they could always stress that I was inactive. However, my Mother has mentioned reinstatment before, and I think it could be enough dogmatic cover for her visits to be deemed acceptable. It would at least give her enough to argue that her actions weren't damaging another's conscience.
Does anyone have any insight into this procedure? Is it true that the original elders have to be contacted? Could I do this at a distant congregation from my current home, to ease the eventual fade? I live thousands of miles away from the original congregation and would probably go to a spanish congregation to try to separate things even further.
Honestly, I detest this route. But I dearly love my Mother, and she has truly been simply loving, when she visits, calls us - she is simply a grandmother with her grandson - no witnessing, no interference, nothing.
She's in her sixties and none of my other siblings are having children (they're waiting for this world to end) and everyday that passes is another day she will never have again.
I am curious about a second route. I was baptized when I was 15 and left when I was 16. Does anyone know of a way to overturn or appeal a disfellowshipping? a baptism? Things are so hazy in my memory from that period in my life, is there a procedure for requesting your disfellowshipping file? Any ideas? -
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My Mother
by funes ini was disfellowshipped when i was 16, it really isn't clear because i stopped going to meetings, left home, etc.
i was 28 before i truly stopped believing and have grown to love every day of life i've had the privilege to live.
my mother was a missionary, my brother lives at one of the farms, one of my sisters is a special pioneer overseas and my other sister is a special pioneer in the states.. .
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funes
Hello All,
I was disfellowshipped when I was 16, it really isn't clear because I stopped going to meetings, left home, etc. I was 28 before I truly stopped believing and have grown to love every day of life I've had the privilege to live.
My Mother was a missionary, my brother lives at one of the farms, one of my sisters is a special pioneer overseas and my other sister is a special pioneer in the states.
Here's the problem. My little boy is now 18 months old and his grandmother loves him dearly. She has visited twice, even staying with us for a week each time. However after the last visit it appears that my siblings gathered together and discussed things with her. She visited in January and only now, in June, did she even mention that something happened. She still won't tell me the entire story because she can't stop sobbing.
I spent tonight searching the forums for reinstatement stories - it doesn't look that great. If I tried the reinstatement and fade away route they could always stress that I was inactive. However, my Mother has mentioned reinstatment before, and I think it could be enough dogmatic cover for her visits to be deemed acceptable. It would at least give her enough to argue that her actions weren't damaging another's conscience.
Does anyone have any insight into this procedure? Is it true that the original elders have to be contacted? Could I do this at a distant congregation from my current home, to ease the eventual fade? I live thousands of miles away from the original congregation and would probably go to a spanish congregation to try to separate things even further.
Honestly, I detest this route. But I dearly love my Mother, and she has truly been simply loving, when she visits, calls us - she is simply a grandmother with her grandson - no witnessing, no interference, nothing.
She's in her sixties and none of my other siblings are having children (they're waiting for this world to end) and everyday that passes is another day she will never have again.
I am curious about a second route. I was baptized when I was 15 and left when I was 16. Does anyone know of a way to overturn or appeal a disfellowshipping? a baptism? Things are so hazy in my memory from that period in my life, is there a procedure for requesting your disfellowshipping file? Any ideas?