Posts by JWdaughter

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Did God break his own rules by making Mary pregnant

by lighthouse19something in

if a couple uses a sperm donor, wtbs says that is adultery even though no sex was involved betweew the donor and wife.

did god covet joseph's fiance?

JWdaughter

I figure all that stuff was added later by somebody trying to reconcile the OT with the new Christian Church. I think they were very concerned to add to Jesus' standing or credibility or something by making him the literal son of God. Jews never really expected an actual virgin to give birth to the messiah. Their young girls are not all anxiously awaiting God to overshadow them or something. But the Christian church seemed to get caught up in a lot of other things happening religiously in the region at the time, not to mention they all seemed to go wacky about sex in general. Read up on the early martyrs-it was nuts. The early church fathers- many seemed to have 'issues' with sexuality. I don't know exactly what brought on the religious mania against sex, but clearly they had one. Except for the looneys who took it in the other direction.

You know-people have been screwed up for millenia!

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SHOCKING!

by Dansk in

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i just managed to see the last 15 minutes or so of the 'tonight with trevor mcdonald' programme on british tv.

it concerned young children under 12 who had their blood tested and it was found they all had (at least those i saw) high levels of toxic chemicals in their blood.

one family ate organic produce and were generally the "healthy" type and yet their daughter had the highest levels of certain chemicals than others in the study.. a toxicologist said that although the chemicals were high we shouldn't worry too much as they are twice as high in the usa!!!.

JWdaughter

I have certain things I am 'freaky' about to my family, and I think that when all is said and done, keeping your food clean, fresh and at the proper temperature is as important to health as all the chemical concerns. Food served at improper temperatures or after being improperly stored accounts for a lot of illness. OTOH, feeding kids food that is so far from the source that they don't know what cheese is if it doesn't come in a single serve slice in a plastic sleeve-thats messed up. Fruit 'drinks' that have no fruit. McDonalds several times a week, mac and cheese for all the other meals-except the chocopuffs for breakfast. Some people use those things occasionally-others serve such things at every single meal. If your kids don't know that chicken nuggets have their source in actual chickens, you need to educate. I have had visiting kids watch me slice up cheese and not know it was CHEESE. I think fretting about chemicals in our food has its place, but teaching our kids about what REAL food is is most important. Most kids aren't dying from toxic chemical overload, they are getting unhealthy on generally bad food and too much of it.

That being said, we could all make more informed choices if we had a clue-What is reality and what is someone's hype? It is so hard to know, so hard to trust anyone or their motivations anymore. We have a local radio 'health' show that I realized was really pushing a few 'therapies' by a certain doctor-who seems to be some sort of quack. But listening for only one or two shows wouldn't tell you that. So I just use my common sense-for whats its worth and try to learn from unbiased(uh huh!) sources.

Dansk, I am sad to hear of what you have been going through. I know your family hurts to see you suffer. Take care of yourself.

Shelly

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Just wanted to post this "reminder" for newer jws

by A Paduan in

*** awake!

if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

JWdaughter

About 20 years ago I knew a JW lady who had had 2 children rather late in her life/marriage. She was over 40 and her husband had a decent job. She had spent her whole married life pioneering (even after the kids). They had just purchased a nice minivan and she was telling me how they had the choice to put a down payment on a house or purchase the car (she managed rentals and lived in a small 2 bedroom duplex) and she decided that to serve Jehovah better that getting the minivan would be the better choice-in view of the short time left. Houses in this area have gone up at least 100% since then. Her minivan is scrap. Her kids are in their mid twenties and probably still living in that 2 bedroom duplex if at home. Which, they likely are, taking care of their older parents who never planned for retirement.

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Did The "Titles" In The Hall Bother You?

by choosing life in

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i always hated the fact that the jws claim they don't take on titles for status and then do just that.

pioneer,special pioneer, auxillary pioneer, elder, ms,co, do, po etc.

did this bother you?

JWdaughter

They never bothered me, and recently I was able to identify and initiate a challenging conversation with a JW lady who was addressed as "sister so and so" by "brother so and so" in a public place(they happened to be from the same cong. and at the outpatient surgery with spouses at the same time as I was waiting for my mom). So that came in handly for me and I got a great opp. to tell sister so and so (and the entire reception area) all the reasons why I was not part of the WT organization. It was kinda awesome.

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African JWs Can Keep "Messianic" Attire Because It's There Culture!

by minimus in

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my mom went to the sunday meeting and a missionary that was formerly in the congregation was showing (boring) slides about the "work" in africa.

when he showed some pictures of some witnesses, they were dressed in what he called "messianic attire".

he told the audience that it was no big deal that they were being allowed to continue this style of dress by the society since it was merely seen as "cultural".

JWdaughter

Hey, do you all think that a person who really thinks elephants are cute and collects them avidly is a practicer of creature worship or idolatry? My mom is totally into elephants and I know they have cultural and/or religous symbolism in the eastern culture as being for luck. Not that Jws believe in luck. But that is a current and still held belief and commonly known-so should someone turn my mom into the elders or something?

Shelly

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African JWs Can Keep "Messianic" Attire Because It's There Culture!

by minimus in

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my mom went to the sunday meeting and a missionary that was formerly in the congregation was showing (boring) slides about the "work" in africa.

when he showed some pictures of some witnesses, they were dressed in what he called "messianic attire".

he told the audience that it was no big deal that they were being allowed to continue this style of dress by the society since it was merely seen as "cultural".

JWdaughter

Mr. E. says, "Are the magic practicing priests from The Almighty or from satan? If you partake of the offerings to satan, you are therefore placing another above The Almighty God correct? If you use candles to ward off evil spirits are you not putting faith in a material object, or idol as you would know it?"

Shelly wonders: Just what kind of birthdays do you GO to? I have never been to one that has magic practicing priests from satan or god. I have NEVER partaken in an offering to Satan. I have never used candles in any way to ward off evil spirits nor have I put faith in them. In fact, I don't think that anyone here besides you has ever done that with a birthday celebration. I am very shocked-as that is not what our birthday celebrations are about CULTURALLY. I would certainly not wish my child to attend that type of party, and since that is the kind you are familiar with and have attended, I can certainly understand your dis-ease with the idea. I would be interested to know how many others here have such idolatrous celebrations? What happens after you do all that idolatrous stuff? I have never participated in idolatry and have no ideas of what immediate or long term spiritual decay could happen with such practices.

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African JWs Can Keep "Messianic" Attire Because It's There Culture!

by minimus in

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my mom went to the sunday meeting and a missionary that was formerly in the congregation was showing (boring) slides about the "work" in africa.

when he showed some pictures of some witnesses, they were dressed in what he called "messianic attire".

he told the audience that it was no big deal that they were being allowed to continue this style of dress by the society since it was merely seen as "cultural".

JWdaughter

Mr. E. said:. . Down to the fourth century Christianity rejected the birthday celebration as a pagan custom."

THis is the same Christianity that had men castrating (literally)themselves, women disfiguring their faces, bodies, cutting off their breasts and noses so as to not be attractive to men. They had a lot of crazy ideas.

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fluffy What's your favorite veggie and/or fruit?

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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me?.

i'm love vegetables and am tolerant of fruit save for strawberries when they're in season.. but i love acorn squash with butter and brown sugar and a small handful of walnuts or pecans.. .

mmmmmmmmsquash.... .

JWdaughter

1.Corn on the cob

2. Potatoes

3. Peas(sweet,baby,pod)

4. Avocado

5. Apples

Mandarin Oranges (christmas)

6.Carrots

7.Water chestnuts

BTW, hubby is going away for the weekend, so my DD and I are planning a Stir fry Fest (peas, broccoli, carrots, water chestnuts, yum yum yum!)Anything but cooked spinach, which turns my stomach.

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OMG Have you ever taken a keyboard apart to clean it?

by Lady Lee in

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i did this years ago and it was so gross i didn't want to do it again.

and each key came out separately - a real pain when you wanted to put it all back together.

my good ergonomic keyboard wouldn't put in spaces so typing was a pain.

JWdaughter

I do the shake it out thing every now and again. That is scary enough. Mine is not ergonomic, just cheap. I admire the patience of anyone who would take it apart to clean it! We don't eat too much over it-or it would be much worse. I spend most of my family time telling my husband or kids NO EATING IN THE LIVING ROOM. The message hasn't arrived yet, but it is SO much fun to nag. . .:) We go through computers so fast that we don't have a chance to kill off the keyboards before we kill off the computers.

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Good news: No longer an elder; Bad news: Disappointed wife

by doinmypart in

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my wife & i have a good relationship except when it comes to things dealing with the wts.

over the past few years we've both made concessions, and i even made some headway in getting her to think about some things.

but from time-to-time we would end up arguing about something wts-related and there would be days of tension between us.. well, a few weeks ago we were having a casual conversation about wildlife in our area, she mentioned something about jehovah ruining those who ruin the earth.

JWdaughter

Gill, your testimony was beautiful. What an inspiring thing. What a wonderful husband. What a love you have! Both of you. I am in awe. Jealous, Admiring, wanting lessons!!

Shelly

Gill said:

Doinmypart - I totally sympathise with you. I suggest you make it worth your wife's while to stay with you. There is NO LOVE in the organization. However, you can be love itself. The choice is yours.

I insisted on carrying on going to meetings when my husband refused to go anymore. I used to sit on my own with everyone ignoring me while I struggled with my kids. After the meetings there was no kind ness or love. But my husband! WoW! He would help me get ready for meetings. He'd be there to fetch me. He'd made dinner, cleaned up, was loving. He helped me all the time and was the most wonderful, loving person in the world.

One Sunday, I was sitting in a meeting and it occured to me 'What the hell am I doing here with these idiots when I could be at home with the one I love!'

I never went back again. At that time I still believed it was da troof and I decided I would rather die with this loving, kind man than live forever without him.

Of course, I discovered later that da troof was total BS! But I'm sure you get what I'm trying to tell you.

Don't discuss the bOrg with her. Just be the most wonderful husband in the world

IF there's one thing you can be sure of 'Love never fails!'

If she loves you, as you believe she does, in time, she WILL chose you if you can be patient and loving. It takes time though! Don't give up!

All the best for your futures!!!

Gill