When one considers the simplicity of the early christian congregations. . . I dont know that more than one wife was going to be as critical as it would be in the modern world with the responsibilities put on pastors, elders, MS's. What do they do now? Hand out magazines, organize conventions and pay bills for the congregation. They arrange field service. I don't think it was that complicated back then.
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Does the NT condemn/outlaw polygamy for christians?
by Island Man inyes, we all know that, according to the bible, god originally established a union between one man and one woman - adam and eve.
however, later in the ot we see that polygamy started being practiced and god permitted it and later even gave laws to regulate it.
so in the ot god does not condemn polygamy and israelites practiced it.. fast foward to the nt.
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Does the NT condemn/outlaw polygamy for christians?
by Island Man inyes, we all know that, according to the bible, god originally established a union between one man and one woman - adam and eve.
however, later in the ot we see that polygamy started being practiced and god permitted it and later even gave laws to regulate it.
so in the ot god does not condemn polygamy and israelites practiced it.. fast foward to the nt.
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JWdaughter
Christian standards were often derived (and have been since derived) from the culture that they live in. Polygamy is still ok among Christians in parts of Africa. That Chrstianity did not promote polygamy and moved away from it is likely based in that Christianity was a Roman institution after a few centuries in addition to originating in the Roman world. That being said, polygamy has been openly practiced by Christians in various parts of the world since the beginning of the religion.
There is a contingent of "christian polygamists" that are not fundamentalist mormons in the US. The thought regarding the scriptures that direct that an overseer be the husband of one wife is that it means that the husband should at least have one wife. Single men were not qualified to be overseers of a congregation since they had not proven anything about their ability to even lead a household -how could he be qualified to lead the household of the saints?
Polygamy serves purposes in communities that go beyond supplying a man with more sexual partners. But they don't usually apply in the western world in any way that we really can comprehend when we have life insurance, social security and a social safety net for widows/orphans.
I don't think the Bible forbids it, but common sense should do so in the west.
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Magazine Routes March KM
by Rattigan350 inimproving our skills in the ministrydeveloping a magazine route.
what does delivering magazines have to do with skills in a ministry?.
"many people who enjoy reading our magazines do not wish to study the bible with us.".
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Yeah, we see JWs for the flyer invites, but can't get one to have a conversation. They got places to go, people to not see! -
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My experience living with Jehavah's Witnesses in Colombia.
by dpw41 inin 2012, i met a girl online who lived colombia and who happened to be a jehovah's witness.
we got to know each other for about 8 months before i went down to see them.
i was there for 6 weeks during my first stay.
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JWdaughter
I don't know much, but I do know that JW culture varies a lot more than many of us would understand unless we had been exposed to it in different countries or even regions of the US. I have seen the difference just between the E and W coast and also in a bit of S. America.
I therefore wouldn't question the JW'ishness of the family for having a young man visiting to start with.
I would however say that the particulars of the way they act is not condoned. They sound like a manipulative and controlling family that had an agenda.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Lesson learned (fill in your favorite platitude).
Take care of yourself. Stay away from JWs. Its just a mind muck no matter how "good" they are (or not).
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New Caleb video uses fearmongering on children
by Jonathan Drake incheck it out.
literally the message is if you don't pay attention at the meetings you could die.
how insane, i feel like this must wake some people up..
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You know, if a kid is falling asleep in class at that age, a teacher would question the parenting choices that don't allow a child to get adequate sleep. Are they supervising them? Are they up too late? If a girl can't stay awake at the meeting, maybe she should be home and. . . (dare I say it?) sleeping instead of being at a meeting that keeps her from getting adequate rest. When I was little, We got home around 9:30. When my kds were the same age, bedtime was 8pm. And they had dinner, chores, bathtime bedtime stories. . . pretty much, dinner to bedtime was spoken for. I really don't know how JW families did it as much as we did. Its less onerous now as to demands on the time, but no less demanding on the children. A couple of days a week(at least) they are having HOURS of their time consumed with this between meetings, service, getting ready for them socializing around them, and driving back and forth. OUCH. -
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Magazine Routes March KM
by Rattigan350 inimproving our skills in the ministrydeveloping a magazine route.
what does delivering magazines have to do with skills in a ministry?.
"many people who enjoy reading our magazines do not wish to study the bible with us.".
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JWdaughter
Magazine routes are simply a sales technique. Though most are not interested, its a numbers game. The more you "expose" the more are likely to take the bait. Husband sells insurance. I hear this stuff ALL the time. It honestly is about the most annoying thing-how all the verbiage brings me back to my childhood that way (also associate it with persecution and armageddon, so its kind of wound that keeps getting rubbed open.)
On the positive note JWs are one of the few groups disliked more than insurance agents. People actually get a benefit out of insurance!
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Are the trolley dollies* getting any results? Or, is it just another waste of life?
by fulltimestudent insteve2 initiated a discussion on how our former loving brothers and sisters are behaving, while engaging in the 'trolley work.
' (link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/93590001/within-one-minute-jw-trolley-directs-me-jw-org ).
my own observations are the same as the posters report on steve2's thread.
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Do the Rank & File JW's REALLY read and understand the bible to be able to REALLY start a study with someone???
by ADJUSTMENTS ini believe the average rank & file are illiterate when it come to the bible because they are so used to using the wbats cliff notes... even though i believe the bible is a fiction novel, at least be able to explain a novel you hold is such high regard: i mean jesus!!!
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JWdaughter
I really didn't have a good grasp of what the Bible taught until I went to a So. baptist church. We actually, really got into the NT during the Wed. Bible study. (it was that or teach AWANAs). All we did was read the Bible and knowing where we were, we were all free to study ahead, read up on history, scholars, context, and stories surrounding what we were going to read and we actually discussed what church fathers said about it. Sometimes we would only read a few scriptures before getting sucked into a lot of interesting minutia. First time I really learned about scholarly terminologies, about context, about all the little versions of christianity floating around in the early church. then in the ladies Bible study, we spent a lot of time on cultural background of whatever bible book we were in.
It all led me out of Christianity as it is, but I actually started to discern things in there-allowed myself to consider what felt holy and what felt like self serving claptrap. It felt very disloyal and I nearly lost ALL faith because I didnt know what to do with a bible that I didn't believe was completely inspired and informed by the almighty god.
Most won't approve of my conclusions, but I love that I have the freedom to come to my own conclusions:) God bless America!!
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
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NWT reasons, excuses, and assertions for inserting the Tetragrammaton (JEHOVAH)
by TerryWalstrom inhttp://tetragrammaton.org/wtarticle.html.
a summary statement of the writers' error.
we believe the writers of the august 1, 2008 watchtower magazine article, should the name jehovah appear in the new testament?
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JWdaughter
For most JWs they zoned out when you said that they made a "fundamental error". The blood filling their eyes precluded them from reading anything more.