It may actually be 616 anyway.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44169
daystar
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How do the JW's interpret the mark on the right hand and forehead and 666?
by JH inand it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead,17and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.18here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.. in these few verses alone, they talk about a mark on the right hand and forehead, as well as not being able to buy or sell without that mark, and finally the number of the wild beast 666.. after studying the revelation climax book a couple of times with the jw's, i still don't recall a clear explanation for these verses above.. if we are so close to the end, wouldn't they know what 666 means by now?
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I finally did the right thing
by cyberdyne systems 101 ini had been friendly to a woman i met recently and wanted to take things further, but found out she was with someone when i asked if she wanted my number.
i bumped into her again two weeks later and she then asked for my number, so i asked her again was she with someone, she said yes but she could still text me.
my gut reaction through mistakes i have made in the past was to not get involved.
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daystar
Kudos to you bro! Plus, she'll either respect you more and if/when she and her boyfriend split, you'll be near the top of the list, or she'll be turned off you, in which case you probably just dodged a bullet.
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Who Has Back Pain?
by gumby inseems like 8 out of 10 have back pain.
i've always wondered why so many do.. so...do you, and how do you deal with it?.
gumby.
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daystar
Sailor Ripley has good advice.
I've been having back problems for years. The past 2.5 being the worst. Regular exercise (and mild muscle relaxers) has done wonders.
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How did you get out of field service?
by return visitor ini had a boat that i always wanted to name "return visits" that way whenever i was asked why i wasn't in field service on saturday i could respond, "i went out on return visits" and nobody would be the wiser.
just wondering, did anyone else come up with a good way to dodge that question?.
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daystar
Pff... I just didn't go. I didn't try to lie or make up excuses. I'd just tell my parents I didn't want to go. They often tried to coerce me, but I stood firm.
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Welcome Jehovah
by coolhandluke injehovah, .
oh how many times i've prayed to you and felt your scornful laugh from yonder skies, how you mock me and laugh at me.
my creation is for your amusement obviously, kinda like the celestial version of the sunday comics, only i appear in technicolor everyday for you.
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daystar
CHL, you and I could have some pretty insightful conversations, I think. Good on ya brother.
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Welcome Jehovah
by coolhandluke injehovah, .
oh how many times i've prayed to you and felt your scornful laugh from yonder skies, how you mock me and laugh at me.
my creation is for your amusement obviously, kinda like the celestial version of the sunday comics, only i appear in technicolor everyday for you.
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CHL
Good post. I have a question or two for you.
Based upon all of that, what conclusions have you come to regarding the nature of God?
Why does the universe, existence, etc. look the way it does if God personifies "love"?
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How does a person tell between their thoughts and if God is communicating?
by The Dragon ini asked my jw mom today...."how do you know if your thoughts are your or god communicating to you?.
the official jw explanation she refered me to is....."you just know"...... .
would anyone risk their lives, obey, and slave for someone because "they just know"?.
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daystar
My thought is that they are one and the same. You can't tell the difference, ultimately.
Some people might say that you can tell if it makes sense in reference to some "law" or other. But that's questionable since the words of the prophets most often do not go along with current popular understanding of "the laws" and yet they are still considered prophets.
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Do you have any "old friends"?
by AlmostAtheist inhey all,.
i was thinking today that many of us lack something that other people enjoy -- old friends.
we either weren't close to our high school friends, or sort of shut them out of our lives.
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daystar
I do have old friends, luckily. I didn't entirely shun worldly people when a JW, so I have a handful of friends I've known since elementary school. And, I've been out of dubdom for fifteen years. I've made friends during that time who've been around long enough to have some perspective on who I am. I love them all!
"Make new friends, but keep the old. One is silver and the other's gold."
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Arguing on the Internet
by daniel-p inmost threads on jwd have little to do with the jw's, and more often than not, the most popular ones are political and philisophical diatribes, full of back-and-forth rhetoric that rarely comes to any meaningful and productive outcome.
most of the issues are repeats, the same arguments over and over, often with the same exact participants.
so how does it affect you?
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daystar
I don't come here to win arguments, or to stroke my ego, like a number do (you probably aren't even aware you're doing it). I just enjoy the discussion. It has its own merit.
Unlike some, I don't need to be right, since Truth doesn't exist.
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believing parents
by pippy inwhat on earth can you do when you r fatther keeps asking why you are not going to meetings,, my dad asks me every time i see him, .
i told my dad and mum that i didnt want to go back, that i didnt agree with the way i was treated, and everyother person ever to be on the wrong side of the fence.
he tells me i am bitter,and i should only think about nice things, and not dwell on the negative.
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pippy
Your dad sounds a bit like my dad used to.
he tells me i am bitter,and i should only think about nice things, and not dwell on the negative.
A response you can give to him is.. Dad, if I ignored the negative stuff, just brushed it under the rug so to speak, aren't I choosing to live in a fantasy world? Aren't you telling me to ignore the reality of the situation? Did Jesus ignore the negative stuff and just focus on the positive? If he had, he never would have challenged the rabbis, etc. of the time.
Yes, you're comparing yourself to Jesus. But as a Christian, aren't you supposed to? Aren't the JWs supposed to be "Christ-like"? How can one possibly do this but to compare themselves to Christ. "What would Jesus do?", etc.
Then ..he said to me ,, but most of the meeting s are happy, you just get a negative one here and there,,, and that only comes from thefaithfull and discreet slave because they are old funny duddies. ( he was just trying to be relaxed about it to palm off the negativity) j so i said, i thought they are inspired by jehovah.. he said ,,they are ,but they put their slant on it ,so we can all understand it. i said,,so they twist it into what they want to say...
then he got all funny and said, no,they dont twist it ,,, stop talking like that!!!! you are so bitter,,when are you going to stop rubbishing them, they are my brothers u know!!
Again, so he is saying one should accept what they say anyway? Does he think that Christ would agree that a brother cannot lead one astray? He accepts that they are "old funny duddies" and so implies that the negative stuff comes from these old wrinkled guys that say funny things sometimes... so, only the negatives qualify here? What of the things that seem positive? Can't they also be loopy ideas from "old funny duddies"?
Really, your dad sounds a lot like mine. If he is, I can understand why you love him so much.
It's doubtful that things will change very easily or quickly. You might consider trying very hard to rather ignore it all, considering his age. I do with mine. For the longest time, I would just tell them that we'd best not talk about it as they'd only get upset. After a while, they stopped mentioned things.
At his age, he needs whatever hope he has. I would recommend not challenging it. In fact, you might even reinforce the positive for his benefit. His armageddon is very soon. Help him to have hope.
I sat my parents down one time and told them, in no uncertain terms, that we would see each other in paradise some day; that no matter what they might think, no matter how they feel about me not being a JW or whatever, that they must trust me on this... I think they believed me, and that is what is important. (I don't believe that, but that's another story.)