"There was one guy who was(and still is)a homosexual." Oh, really??
In Jehovah's clean congregation? Somethin ain't right here.
Chakka
as the coin says "in god we trust" - i never trusted my kids with menfolk, even relatives.
not even their father!
there was one guy in the congregation who was (and still is) a homosexual.
"There was one guy who was(and still is)a homosexual." Oh, really??
In Jehovah's clean congregation? Somethin ain't right here.
Chakka
i'm giving up smoking on the 22nd.
it will be the third time, but this time as part of a government sponsored training course with drugs and patches supplied etc.
anyone else given up and got any helpfull advise?.
Hi Ballistic,
I read somewhere that the nicotine is completely out of your body after just 72 hours. Gone is the nasty drug out of your body now...you are clean!
Keep giving yourself this well deserved gift.
All the best and good health to you! :)
Chakka
or this could be titled: "ridicule this!
" that's because the ridiculer doesn't just ridicule old men in brooklyn, or the bible, or the religion of their family; rather those so inclined ridicule reality itself.
the beauty of the truth, though, is that it is irrepressible, so much so that even some of the sons of this system can, by the power of reason, unknowingly arrive at the same conclusion jehovah forsaw centuries before.
You Know,
Perhaps the application of certain scriptures will help you beat your internet addiction for apostate association.
Mark 9:43 "And if your (mouseclicking/keyboard typing) hand makes you stumble, cut it off;it is finer for you to enter into life maimed than with two hands to go off into Gehenna, into the fire that cannot be put out.
And/Or
Mark 9:47,48 "If your (monitor peering) eye makes you stumble, throw it away, it is finer for you to enter one-eyed into the kingdom of God than with two eyes to be pitched into Gehenna where their maggot does not die and the fire is not put out."
Kidding aside, like other's here, I've enjoyed reading and weighing your posts. Your input adds complexion to the board.
Chakka
i have read a couple of threads the last couple of days that dealt with what you have to give up when becoming a jw.. most posts that i read said they have to give up getting a higher education.
my question is this: is that still a trend today?
that elders frown or discourage young jws from going to college or university by telling them to put kingdom's interest first?
NotBlind,
Ditto to all that you said. This is such a sore subject with me. All of the vacilating the WTBTS "appears" to do on this subject. In the nineties, there was a WT article(s) sort of giving the ok to higher ed, although university has never gotten the nod really. Always the reason for continuing with post HS education- to support yourself in the pioneer work. Uh huh.. The articles brought out how this was a matter between parents and their children and that no one should be judged by other's for the decision they make. Then, in 2001, a kingdom ministry insert giving a rather cut and dry negative attitude toward higher ed. As long as I have been involved with these fanatics, they have done this flip flop every few years. Give the ok and then, sooner or later, take it all back! And so on and so on.. Everyone knows the REAL way the WT wants you to go, no matter what pretentious PR drivel they come out with in the rags.
There is nothing new under the watchtower sun.
Chakka
larc has an interesting thread going about why jw men choose to date (and beyond) worldly women in lieu of dating the seemingly overbundant supply of 'horny' sisters available.
i recommend it.. it set me to thinking about yet another interesting phenomena in jwdom.
that is the situation where the jw woman has, as a husband, a 'non-believer'.
I can only go by my own experience as a JW with an unbelieving mate. It was one hell of a lonely road. Sure, for a few years, I somewhat enjoyed leaving the house to attend meetings to go pursue my religious "hobby" by myself. It gave me some personal space and I think he liked his space too for those few hours a week. But, when the children came along, it wasn't great fun hauling them up to the hall and out in service all by my lonesome. Especially knowing and realizing that me nor my children were never really accepted as a family totally "in" might be. I had to scratch and claw for every crumb of association for all of us from day one. Even so, I tried my best to live up to my dedication as a witness, going strictly on my own steam (and oh yes, of course, Jehovah's help). Even though I was a lone sister without a JW husband, I was still held to the same standards as everyone else..no slack extended for my circumstances nor any expected. Without a husband at my side, I had little status and seemed pretty inconsequential,IMO. Eventually, I began to realize that my children were not making it in that cold, unloving environment and that I had taken everything from them(holiday's, family tradition, sports,normal loving friendships, etc.) and was unable to replace these losses with anything within the witness framework. We had NO social life at all. None in the world and none with the witnesses. A very depressing state, let me tell you. Also, I noticed that some of the brother's in the cong. felt that they could speak to me pretty much any way they wanted, since I had no husband to "protect" me there. I always felt that my not having a JW husband was a real liability and one of the biggest hindrance's to our "spiritual progress". I always empathized with the sister's without mates, especially if they had children they were trying to raise alone in the org.
It was interesting to me that I never saw any brother's with unbelieving mates bring their children to the hall and do all that the sister's with unbeliever's were expected to do. Not to say that it didn't happen, I just never saw it. I recall one big burley brother, whose wife wasn't a JW, who had children at home but who never brought his kid's to the meetings or seemed to make an effort to raise them as JW's. He was very well liked at the hall, a MS, gave great talks but didn't have his kid's to worry about. He said that it would cause distress to his wife to bring his children so he simply, didn't. I guess she would have torn the clothes off of his back had he tried to bring them to the meetings. Yea, right. He once gave a talk about "bad association". I thought to myself..."too bad his own children aren't here to hear their father's wise council to the other JW kid's whose parents are actually doing the WORK of raising their kid's by JW edits.
I am sorry if I sound bitter. I am, about many things as a JW. I guess my point is that, if you took the "truth" seriously and had an unbelieving mate, there were no excuses to be lax or to have any special outs about matters. At least, that was the way it was for me.
Chakka
okay fess up: whats your handle mean?.
my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.
i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.
I like the singer Chaka Kahn and the way her name sounds when pronounced. The Conned part is pretty self explanatory. That's the way I feel about the whole JW experience. They got me pretty good :)
last night my husband and i went to dinner at a new restaurant to us.
it was a thai place.
as we walked up, we could see that most of the tables were occupied by asians, a good sign.
Bigboi, you are so right. I can't understand their reasoning(or lack thereof) for treating spiritually weak ppl the way they do. I've seen many be treated this way and the weakened person invariably becomes history once he fully realizes that he's pond scum because of his weakness. Instead of reaching out with real love and encouragment to a person who's "slipping", they would rather use the opportunity to ignore and make the person feel worse. Yep, shoot their wounded and it almost seems fun for some of em. They even have a kingdom song about helping the weak and depressed...what a joke. In reality, the weak one has become bad association thanks to the society warning everybody to be sure and watch their association, not JUST in the world, but in the congregation as well. This gives liscense to the pubs to judge their brother's as harshly as they personally feel they must(or want to)and feel justified in doing it. Sick.
i know for some it is already the new year, but for me the ball is dropping in time square as i type.. happy new year people!
Wake Up LB :)
i know for some it is already the new year, but for me the ball is dropping in time square as i type.. happy new year people!
Happy New Year Everyone!
in 1972 the great irish balladeer don mcclean introduced the song "american pie.
" it was and still is a classic.
the song is full of symbolism and even to this day almost thirty years after the song was first introduced, mcclean will not reveal the real meanings behind much of that symbolism.. in that song, he sings about "the day the music died.
I remember bantering this around while out in service with a couple of sisters years ago. We thought it had to do with the fall of Babylon the Great which would lead into the G. Tribulation. "I went down to the sacred store where I heard the music years before and the men there said the music wouldn't play". "And the father, son and holy ghost, they caught the last train for the coast" bit. And the part about Satan laughing with delight. We just figured it had some deep, symbolic and prophetic message and since JW's are the only ones who can see the REAL meaning of things, we just knew that's what it was referring to. Couldn't make heads or tails of the other lyrics of the song, however.