Posts by jwfacts

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OMG!!! Special Ass Day was so Watchtarded!!!!

by DATA-DOG in

i have to go to bed, but i will post some highlights asap... so watchtarded.... .

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dd.

jwfacts

Hey Julia, I think he was referring to the point mentioned at the start that he sounded like a Born Again Preacher.

4) The "banana" talk!! LOL!!! "True Christians" need guidance. Where do you get it?? The FDS!! Some other "Christians" make claims...

5) The Bible is powerful! Holy Spirit will guide you!! [ So holy spirit guides individual Christians to truth, or just the FDS??]

This was something that always disturbed me as a teenager. Did holy spirit guide me or not? Did God answer my prayers or not? It seemed that it was only on occassionally convenient times that I could depend on holy spirit, but most of the time I could not. Still, as a JW I was better off than worldly people, who only had their prayers answered if they prayed to learn the truth, and had a JW knock on their door within a few hours. All those that prayed for truth and had a Mormon knock on their doors must not have had a pure heart.

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"This Generation" at the meeting today

by Batman89 in

it was really quite amusing 2day at the meeting when we got to the "this generation will not pass away" subheading in the wt.

the conductor spent very little time on the section and the comments that were given didnt at all make sense really.

you can tell its not understood by the majority of the friendsand will go over there heads, i was trying not to laugh lol.

jwfacts

Mat 24 is far and away the most quoted Bible passage by the Watchtower. It is great that one of their core doctrines from that passage makes no sense. Hopefully a few will continue to be awaken by the nonsense.

I agree that the concept that only the second group belongs to the overlapping generation has been done to create urgency. Of course as they die out, that part of the doctrine will be dropped, if the religion has not died out or morphed into something totally different by then.

Great image Oubliette, hope you don't mind if I use it.

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Are my children in danger of being indoctrinated if I let them spend the night with their JW family?

by Butterflyleia85 in

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so... i'm writing because i have mixed feelings.

keeping my kids safe is my goal... until they are old enough to understand and reason on their own.

my mother gave me the tapes (that i gave her back in december) of combating mind control by steven hassan, saying that she didn't have a tape player... reminded me of three years ago when i gave her crisis of conscience by ray franz and she said it's to big book to read and she's not a reader.

jwfacts

Yes.

A friend recently let her daughter stay a weekend with the grandparents. Now her daughter wants to start going to meetings. I would not recommend allowing a child to be left with JWs without you being there to supervise.

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Call from my JW brother that I have not heard from in 5 yrs

by troubled mind in

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early this morning i get a phone call from my jw brother i have not heard from in 5 yrs .the first thought in my head was someone has died .

so i answer cautiously ......hi is everything okay ?

he just starts talking as if we had always been in contact.

jwfacts

Interesting that over the years he could justify not having a relationship with you, because the Bible tells him not to, yet kept on over-drinking.

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Im new and need help!

by Batman89 in

hello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.

i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).

recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).

jwfacts

She loves being a JW more than she loves you. You don't want to live playing second fiddle to the org. Who knows though, you have given her some points to think about. Maybe she will realize she loves you and that what you said makes sense, and come looking for you.

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Critique of Mar 2014 Awake on Creation by Alan Feuerbacher

by jwfacts in

alan feuerbacher has written a tremendous critique of the march 2014 awake!, which contains a grossly dishonest discussion on creation.

the pdf file can be downloaded from awake_march_2014_creation_critique.pdf.

it highlights watchtower use of poor and contradictory reasoning..

jwfacts

Thanks for the comments, some great points have been made.

Vidiot - Creationists reject evolution for ideological reasons, their worldview really gives them little choice in the matter.

I particularly enjoyed what you wrote. Whilst I agree with your summary of the Creationist mindset, there are ways to marry Creation, Evolution, the Bible and the Ransom. God can be the first cause, evolution progressed, and the evolved man eventually became sinful and needed Jesus Ransom. Or animals evolved and God then made humans, but maybe sometime longer than 6000 years ago - Genesis becomes figurative. Since civilisation is little more than 6000 years old, a thinking person can feel justified in accepting the Bible time-frames of Adam.

It is difficult for people to change their beliefs, and so a religions rarely make dramatic changes rapidly, but I think there are enough ways to match the Bible and Science, mixing figurative and literal interpretations, that it will be possible to hold to what seems a logical merge of the Ransom, Creation and Science for many years to come. The Watchtower at least tries to be more Scientific than young earth Creationists, which leaves JWs (who are not willing to scratch too far below the surface) thinking they have a very solid belief system.

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Here is a funny story

by barry in

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http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2014/04/01/my-brief-abortive-pastoral-career.

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jwfacts

The link is not working. Try this http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2014/04/01/my-brief-abortive-pastoral-career

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Critique of Mar 2014 Awake on Creation by Alan Feuerbacher

by jwfacts in

alan feuerbacher has written a tremendous critique of the march 2014 awake!, which contains a grossly dishonest discussion on creation.

the pdf file can be downloaded from awake_march_2014_creation_critique.pdf.

it highlights watchtower use of poor and contradictory reasoning..

jwfacts

Alan Feuerbacher has written a tremendous critique of the March 2014 Awake!, which contains a grossly dishonest discussion on creation. The PDF file can be downloaded from Awake_March_2014_Creation_Critique.pdf. It highlights Watchtower use of poor and contradictory reasoning.

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The Battle of Armageddon LOL.

by transhuman68 in

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i was looking through a watchtower publication that i bought recently, and found this quote about children & armageddon:.

our theme "rearing children in divine favor" does not refer to the rearing of the children of armageddon survivors in that new world when all surrounding conditions and all forces in operation will be toward helping those who live to do righteousness.

no; but it refers to rearing children who are born now before the battle of armageddon.

jwfacts

"most of those children who stayed JWs are now teaching their grandchildren they will never finish school"

That's the most difficult part to comprehend. These people know they were misled, yet continue with the same lies to their own children.

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First indisputable link between aluminum and alzheimer's

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140212093300.htm.

elevated brain aluminium, early onset alzheimer's disease in an individual occupationally exposed to aluminiumdate:february 12, 2014 source:keele university summary:research has shown for the first time that an individual who was exposed to aluminum at work and died of alzheimers disease had high levels of aluminum in the brain.

while aluminum is a known neurotoxin and occupational exposure to aluminum has been implicated in neurological disease, including alzheimers disease, this finding is believed to be the first record of a direct link between alzheimers disease and elevated brain aluminum following occupational exposure to the metal.

jwfacts

technically no, rutherford didn't just dream up alumimum being dangerous, he took it from other research and stories going on.

The reason there was so much discussion about aluminium during Rutherford's time is that production of aluminium had not become commercially feasible until the 1880s, and so as is common with anything that is new, some people were concerned about the long term effects. Personally, I think the reason Rutherford hated it was because the original manufacturing companies were making a lot of money out of aluminium production.