Cofty, I am travelling internationally without a laptop for a couple of weeks, so can't contribute much. You can post it, or I will when I return. It would also be good to have a running thread on our experiences with the trolley preachers.
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My 45 Minute Conversation With JWs Today
by cofty inas i was saying before the watchtower literature trolley has arrived in my little town.... my wife and i were in town this afternoon and i saw one of my former elder colleagues standing beside the trolley talking to a young man and reading to him from one of their books.
ray was one my least favourite people - he was everything that is bad about jw elders.
i went up to them and interrupted and told the man that this is a cult recruitment campaign.
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My 45 Minute Conversation With JWs Today
by cofty inas i was saying before the watchtower literature trolley has arrived in my little town.... my wife and i were in town this afternoon and i saw one of my former elder colleagues standing beside the trolley talking to a young man and reading to him from one of their books.
ray was one my least favourite people - he was everything that is bad about jw elders.
i went up to them and interrupted and told the man that this is a cult recruitment campaign.
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jwfacts
I have been pondering on the great opportunity these stands present to ex-JWs. In my new place where I live I have only been called on once in 2 years. But I have seen a number of stands. If we start to go and speak to the people, they are our captive audience. Very quickly we could have JWs and the Watchtower afraid of using them. It would be good to have a discussion on topics to use, and things that have worked.
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Does anyone remember the article which mentioned that many non-jws would survive armageddon?
by cultBgone ini seem to think it was a november wt issue but can't remember precisely, but it was probably printed within the last three years.
after being told for years and years that everyone not a jw would be destroyed, this was amazing to see in print!
yet when i pointed it out to others, they just shrugged it off and left me wondering what i was missing.... does this ring a bell with anyone?.
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jwfacts
I don't remember any statement to that affect. The closest I recall is what Blondie quoted, which does not say worldly pepole will be saved, but could be taken as such if someone wants to read more into the statement than is intended.
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Does anyone remember the article which mentioned that many non-jws would survive armageddon?
by cultBgone ini seem to think it was a november wt issue but can't remember precisely, but it was probably printed within the last three years.
after being told for years and years that everyone not a jw would be destroyed, this was amazing to see in print!
yet when i pointed it out to others, they just shrugged it off and left me wondering what i was missing.... does this ring a bell with anyone?.
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I don't remember any statement to that affect. The closest I recall is what Blondie quoted, which does not say worldly pepole will be saved, but could be taken as such if someone wants to read more into the statement than is intended.
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OMG!!! Special Ass Day was so Watchtarded!!!!
by DATA-DOG ini have to go to bed, but i will post some highlights asap... so watchtarded.... .
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Hey Julia, I think he was referring to the point mentioned at the start that he sounded like a Born Again Preacher.
4) The "banana" talk!! LOL!!! "True Christians" need guidance. Where do you get it?? The FDS!! Some other "Christians" make claims...
5) The Bible is powerful! Holy Spirit will guide you!! [ So holy spirit guides individual Christians to truth, or just the FDS??]
This was something that always disturbed me as a teenager. Did holy spirit guide me or not? Did God answer my prayers or not? It seemed that it was only on occassionally convenient times that I could depend on holy spirit, but most of the time I could not. Still, as a JW I was better off than worldly people, who only had their prayers answered if they prayed to learn the truth, and had a JW knock on their door within a few hours. All those that prayed for truth and had a Mormon knock on their doors must not have had a pure heart.
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"This Generation" at the meeting today
by Batman89 init was really quite amusing 2day at the meeting when we got to the "this generation will not pass away" subheading in the wt.
the conductor spent very little time on the section and the comments that were given didnt at all make sense really.
you can tell its not understood by the majority of the friendsand will go over there heads, i was trying not to laugh lol.
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jwfacts
Mat 24 is far and away the most quoted Bible passage by the Watchtower. It is great that one of their core doctrines from that passage makes no sense. Hopefully a few will continue to be awaken by the nonsense.
I agree that the concept that only the second group belongs to the overlapping generation has been done to create urgency. Of course as they die out, that part of the doctrine will be dropped, if the religion has not died out or morphed into something totally different by then.
Great image Oubliette, hope you don't mind if I use it.
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Are my children in danger of being indoctrinated if I let them spend the night with their JW family?
by Butterflyleia85 inso... i'm writing because i have mixed feelings.
keeping my kids safe is my goal... until they are old enough to understand and reason on their own.
my mother gave me the tapes (that i gave her back in december) of combating mind control by steven hassan, saying that she didn't have a tape player... reminded me of three years ago when i gave her crisis of conscience by ray franz and she said it's to big book to read and she's not a reader.
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Yes.
A friend recently let her daughter stay a weekend with the grandparents. Now her daughter wants to start going to meetings. I would not recommend allowing a child to be left with JWs without you being there to supervise.
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Call from my JW brother that I have not heard from in 5 yrs
by troubled mind inearly this morning i get a phone call from my jw brother i have not heard from in 5 yrs .the first thought in my head was someone has died .
so i answer cautiously ......hi is everything okay ?
he just starts talking as if we had always been in contact.
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jwfacts
Interesting that over the years he could justify not having a relationship with you, because the Bible tells him not to, yet kept on over-drinking.
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Im new and need help!
by Batman89 inhello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.
i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).
recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).
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She loves being a JW more than she loves you. You don't want to live playing second fiddle to the org. Who knows though, you have given her some points to think about. Maybe she will realize she loves you and that what you said makes sense, and come looking for you.
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Critique of Mar 2014 Awake on Creation by Alan Feuerbacher
by jwfacts inalan feuerbacher has written a tremendous critique of the march 2014 awake!, which contains a grossly dishonest discussion on creation.
the pdf file can be downloaded from awake_march_2014_creation_critique.pdf.
it highlights watchtower use of poor and contradictory reasoning..
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Thanks for the comments, some great points have been made.
Vidiot - Creationists reject evolution for ideological reasons, their worldview really gives them little choice in the matter.
I particularly enjoyed what you wrote. Whilst I agree with your summary of the Creationist mindset, there are ways to marry Creation, Evolution, the Bible and the Ransom. God can be the first cause, evolution progressed, and the evolved man eventually became sinful and needed Jesus Ransom. Or animals evolved and God then made humans, but maybe sometime longer than 6000 years ago - Genesis becomes figurative. Since civilisation is little more than 6000 years old, a thinking person can feel justified in accepting the Bible time-frames of Adam.
It is difficult for people to change their beliefs, and so a religions rarely make dramatic changes rapidly, but I think there are enough ways to match the Bible and Science, mixing figurative and literal interpretations, that it will be possible to hold to what seems a logical merge of the Ransom, Creation and Science for many years to come. The Watchtower at least tries to be more Scientific than young earth Creationists, which leaves JWs (who are not willing to scratch too far below the surface) thinking they have a very solid belief system.
