Posts by jwfacts

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Should I get babtized?

by BlackWolf in

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i know this sounds like a ridiculous question but i was talking with my mom in the car today and of course we got on the topic of getting babtized again.

she told me that jehovah holds me accountable for my sins regardless of wether i am babtized or not so i have no reason to be holding back because it won't change anything.

my parents are the type of super strict jw who will shun you just for not being a witness.

jwfacts

Then when I leave I will disasociate myself and things wouldn't be any different than if I hadn't gotten babtized in the first place,

You will be treated differently as a disassociated person than as someone unbaptised. Maybe ultra strict JWs such as your parents will treat you the same as first but most JWs are far more likely to speak with someone never baptised.

Being baptised won't make much difference in how the teenagers treat you, and as you know, as soon as you stop going to meetings they will all dump you as a friend anyway.

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Evolution and Atheism - please help

by Fernando in

not being familiar with either, my question is:.

what is the relationship between evolution and atheism?.

i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone, and also from any perspective.. without limiting the conversation in any way, i would of course also appreciate comments that are simple, clear, direct and correct (as i don't have the capacity to do a phd in evolution or atheism)..

jwfacts

Evolution is a fact that can be accepted by both theists and atheists. Many theists find evolution confronting because it does not align with their interpretation of ancient religious texts.

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I lied to the elders

by atacrossroads in

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i stopped attending meetings all together in january 2015. before that my attendance was irregular at best.

my husband followed suit a few months ago after months of research, agony, and indecision on his part.

from the very beginning i laid low and did not share with anyone what i found out about the witnesses because i did not want to be df'd.

jwfacts

I don't want to drag things out or play some kind of catch me if you can game

This is a common feeling but paradoxical. If you are prepared to jump in and get DF or DA, then why worry if they play a catch me if you can game. Just ignore them completely and whether they "catch you" or not will become meaningless to you.

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I lied to the elders

by atacrossroads in

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i stopped attending meetings all together in january 2015. before that my attendance was irregular at best.

my husband followed suit a few months ago after months of research, agony, and indecision on his part.

from the very beginning i laid low and did not share with anyone what i found out about the witnesses because i did not want to be df'd.

jwfacts

Your husband has given good advice. Your family is lost to you because it is a cult, not because of what you could have done or should have said. It had to happen sooner or later as it has to most of us here. Sadly all you can do is accept that you need to mourn them and move on.

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Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.

by smiddy in

on the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.

flock to the nearest k.h.

for a time.. on the other hand ,.

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Makemeanunbeliever- God will be the judge if they are right or wrong, not an internet bulletin board,

This is the sort of defeatist attitude that keeps people within the cultural religion of their birth. "God will be the judge if Scientologists are right or wrong, if SDA's are right or wrong, if .....[insert current religion here]... ."

Humans can be the judge of whether or not JWs are right or wrong, because there is endless evidence on which to base an intelligent decision, including over 100 years of lies, misquotes, constant doctrinal changes, simplistic doctrine based on eisegesis, and failed exclamations of the world's end.

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Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.

by smiddy in

on the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.

flock to the nearest k.h.

for a time.. on the other hand ,.

jwfacts

It is about time for the next recession, which sends them scurrying back. It will be interesting to watch how the next recession affects Watchtower. With their current financial concerns, any increase of people that are financially struggling will possibly not be desired.

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Music Video: Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on JW Broadcasting? - PARODY

by cappytan in

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this took quite a while this evening.

so worth it though.

hope you enjoy!

jwfacts

Well done.

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Do not Disassociate, Anull your baptism

by jwfacts in

i am now a jedi, so trust me on this.. .

why dis-associate, you are just playing by the wts rules?

how can you dis-associate anyway, you never thought you were baptised as a watchtower society member, you thought your dedication was to god, so why formally disassociate from something you did not formally join?

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Dubstepped - It is not a personal attack when saying not to DA. It is a warning to consider the consequences. Many want to DA on the spot, in that period of initial rage on finding out their entire life has been based on a lie. It takes time to settle and work out what is the best course of action, and whether to DA or fade is better suited to individual circumstances.

It is painted as some weak way out, doing the elders a favor, etc.

I don't know if you read the article Disassociate or Fade?, but there I recommend that if a person is likely to be disfellowshipped, they could DA to prevent the elders the pleasure of disfellowshipping them. I rarely see it painted as weak, rather the opposite, as a strong and more difficult option.

I personally was disfellowshipped, and that was the best thing to happen, as it was what finally what let me move on from the cult. So I recognise that disassociation can have the same affect and be the best option in order to achieve closure and move forward.

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List of reasons why the witnesses are wrong.

by atomant in

l thought it might be a good idea to have a quick reference post to remind people of the faults within the jw org.what do others think.

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False end of the world predictions
Stance against higher education
Handling of victims of child abuse
Using 607 instead of 587
Blood transfusions being theologically wrong and leading to death
Strict shunning being a cult practice
UN NGO status hypocritical and dishonest
GB demanding unhealthy reverence.
Claiming Jesus is only mediator for 144,000
Pharisaical High Control over all aspects of life

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Just handed in my Disassociation letter

by Thirteenth tribe in

tonight my dl was posted by hand by my husband (a worldly guy).

i had the luxury of being at work distracted whilst he posted it.

i have been baptised for just over 2 years and studied since 2010. i couldn't take it anymore, not just the zealous dislike/disgust for 'people in the world' (this includes my husband and 99% of my family btw) but the obvious.... the investigations into child sexual abuse.

jwfacts

Great thread. I have not been to a hall in 10 years and it seems like it has become far more crazy.

To put it mildly I have been depressed and anxious, I knew I had to cut all ties.

You have made a great decision and you should find a lot of the anxiety goes away.