Posts by Hellrider

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The GB of the JWs guilty or naive and ignorant ?

by greendawn in

some people believe that the gb of the jws are a bunch of well meaning but naive and ignorant individuals who do not really mean to cause the harm they do cause in the r & f and they may not even be aware of it.

i personally disagree with that and believe that everything they do is based on shrewd cold blooded calculations that are meant to promote their interests, that they sold their souls to the devil as it were in exchange of a huge intoxicating power trip.

they are fully aware of the harm they cause but their conscience is singed beyond all sensitivity.

Hellrider

Frankiespakin wrote: "Hell,

Your hyperlink is to an article by Jerry Bergman, he is not very well respect here on this forum, he used to post here and his credentials are highly suspect, as are his statistic. "

Ok, I didn`t know that. I saw it said "Ph.d", so I thought he was ok. Well, there is a site called "TowerWatchMinisteries", and they have some statistics,check out this:

http://towerwatch.com/articles_and_stories/articles/mental_health.htm

...there are many more articles on that site. I borrowed a book from someone once (in norwegian) that had statistics on this issue, that`s why I mentioned it in the first post. But it`s not as easy finding statistics on the internet as I would have thought. But that site has some.

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The GB of the JWs guilty or naive and ignorant ?

by greendawn in

some people believe that the gb of the jws are a bunch of well meaning but naive and ignorant individuals who do not really mean to cause the harm they do cause in the r & f and they may not even be aware of it.

i personally disagree with that and believe that everything they do is based on shrewd cold blooded calculations that are meant to promote their interests, that they sold their souls to the devil as it were in exchange of a huge intoxicating power trip.

they are fully aware of the harm they cause but their conscience is singed beyond all sensitivity.

Hellrider

Luna wrote: "If there is a God, if he really takes an interest in anything that's going on on this planet, if he cares at all that these people have lied in His name, destroyed families and individuals in His name, covered up crimes in His name, sacrificed innocent lives in His name, and made a mockery of His name...if any of that matters to Him, then this "Governing Body" are judged guilty and I hope they are sentanced accordingly."

Yeah, well, that`s the problem for me. I don`t think there is a God, and hence, justice will never be done. I don`t think justice is served by anyone other than humans. If you want justice to be done, do it yourself.

And the post right before this one said that it is the families that are to blame, as these are the ones that follow the teachings...that noone is forced into following the blood-transfusion-policies, but I disagree strongly with that. When you are brainwashed into this religion, you will believe with all your heart that if you accept a blood-transfusion, or let your children accept it, you are not going to survive Armageddon. This is because the WT SAYS IT IS SO! And well, the GB too might believe that this is true, but that doesn`t take their responsibility away,as these are the ones responsible for these doctrines. Whether they BELIEVE in it themselves or not, is irrelevant, and they are, per definition, murderers!

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The GB of the JWs guilty or naive and ignorant ?

by greendawn in

some people believe that the gb of the jws are a bunch of well meaning but naive and ignorant individuals who do not really mean to cause the harm they do cause in the r & f and they may not even be aware of it.

i personally disagree with that and believe that everything they do is based on shrewd cold blooded calculations that are meant to promote their interests, that they sold their souls to the devil as it were in exchange of a huge intoxicating power trip.

they are fully aware of the harm they cause but their conscience is singed beyond all sensitivity.

Hellrider

Frankiespeakin, you can read an article about it here:

http://www.premier1.net/~raines/mental.html

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The GB of the JWs guilty or naive and ignorant ?

by greendawn in

some people believe that the gb of the jws are a bunch of well meaning but naive and ignorant individuals who do not really mean to cause the harm they do cause in the r & f and they may not even be aware of it.

i personally disagree with that and believe that everything they do is based on shrewd cold blooded calculations that are meant to promote their interests, that they sold their souls to the devil as it were in exchange of a huge intoxicating power trip.

they are fully aware of the harm they cause but their conscience is singed beyond all sensitivity.

Hellrider

I think they do believe in the doctrines themselves. But that doesn`t mean that they don`t take advantage of the power and the economical wealth they have. Whenever the top 10 goes on an expensive cruise,or buy a new house for some R&R, all paid for by the average JW, they probably don`t even see anything wrong with that. But whether they are genuinely religious or the leaders of a conspiration syndicate, they`re still guilty of ruining thousands of families, inflicting overwhelming psychological damage on young children, and even guilty of murder, with the blood-policies. Oh, and the suicide rate among ex-JWs is many times as high as in the rest of the population. They are GUILTY!

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The GB of the JWs guilty or naive and ignorant ?

by greendawn in

some people believe that the gb of the jws are a bunch of well meaning but naive and ignorant individuals who do not really mean to cause the harm they do cause in the r & f and they may not even be aware of it.

i personally disagree with that and believe that everything they do is based on shrewd cold blooded calculations that are meant to promote their interests, that they sold their souls to the devil as it were in exchange of a huge intoxicating power trip.

they are fully aware of the harm they cause but their conscience is singed beyond all sensitivity.

Hellrider

Whats a "GB"? I`m not familiar with the english terms.

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Apocalypse delayed again

by Hellrider in

i have not been in contact with jws since around 1988. i initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, i went to some meetings, but then i was thru, in 1988. the only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a jw), and the service was held at kh.

anyway, the point here is: it was new to me that the wts is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine.

and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means.

Hellrider

Sith wrote: "I had been waiting for the 1914 generation to die out and for the DUmBs to finally realize that they had been hoodwinked"

I hear you, oh dark one I kind of feel cheated on this one too. I had been waiting for their religion to crumble, so I could laugh at them. You know, if I was to walk by one of those idiots from when I was a kid, the ones that shoved all that demons and Armageddon-crap down my throat till it wrecked my nerves, I could just laugh at the person, or maybe just smile diabolically and arrogant. Payback! Well, I got cheated out of that. Should have guessed that they would wiggle out of it. Well, I take some comfort in the fact that the ones that still are JWs, due to the fact that they don`t understand the logical implications of the doctrine change, obviously are so stupid that I should really just pity them. (Well, I don`t, but I pity their kids, and every child in that organisation).

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Apocalypse delayed again

by Hellrider in

i have not been in contact with jws since around 1988. i initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, i went to some meetings, but then i was thru, in 1988. the only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a jw), and the service was held at kh.

anyway, the point here is: it was new to me that the wts is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine.

and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means.

Hellrider

Right, I`ve read thru the link I provided one more time, cause there`s one thing I still don`t understand. Hope someone can explain this to me. What EXACTLY does this new meaning of the word "generation" mean? I tried and tried, but for the life of me, I can`t figure it out. God, the doctrine used to be so simple and straightforward, and clearly defined, with time-range and all, and now it`s just all messed up!? The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, says:

"However, we "bring a heart of wisdom in," not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we "count our days" in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah (Psalm 90:12). Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term "generation" as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics. "

Ok, I think I understand the "contemporary people of a certain historical period"-part. This must mean that whatever the deal is with 1914,the signs are clearly there that we are living in the end-times (you know, wars and earthquakes and all, LoL). And obviously, the new meaning of the word "generation" must obviously mean that it can extend longer than that of a persons life, that even if the...(correct me if I get this wrong) people that were alive in 1914 were all to be extinct tomorrow, the generation is somehow...still alive? In some mystical, paranormal way? Because, as I understand, the year 1914 still stands as the year of the beginning of Jesus invisible presence? So the word "generation", does it mean those that lived in 1914, or does it mean ANYONE that are alive now in the end times? But the part I REALLY don`t understand, is this: "not by thinking about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we count our days in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah". What on earth does this mean? That the way we count our days in "bringing joyful praise to Jehovah" is something relevant when it comes to deciding how longlived a generation is? This sounds just amasingly metaphysical and mystical to me. Anyway,and however this is understood, I doubt that the average JW (as Blondie pointed out) understands the logical effects of this doctrine change. If not even one of the people born before 1914 has to be alive on Armageddon-day anymore, this could mean that Armageddon could come tomorrow or in thousands of years, as the bible then doesn`t give any timeframe on how long the end-times are! - or how long this mystical generation-thing is going to last! No wonder most JWs haven`t left because of this, the argument and the logics of this doctrine change is to wide-reaching and to difficult to understand for most people! Ìt`s mystical and strange, and Yeah Blondie, you`re probably right! They just don`t understand it! I bet most of them still are in "1914-mode", that they, at least subconsciously, believe it`s going to happen before the generation that experienced 1914 (in the "old" meaning of the word) has died out. The doctrine change is done quietly and gently, so that when the old people of the congregation in 2015 on their death beds ask "why hasn`t it happened yet?", it will be easy to point out that "oh no, we changed that doctrine long time ago...didn`t you pay attention? Now, just sign here, at the bottom of this paper, oh no, don`t worry, it`s just your house, don`t worry..."... This is all so devious that they should get a price!

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Apocalypse delayed again

by Hellrider in

i have not been in contact with jws since around 1988. i initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, i went to some meetings, but then i was thru, in 1988. the only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a jw), and the service was held at kh.

anyway, the point here is: it was new to me that the wts is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine.

and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means.

Hellrider

Wow, I`m sure it must have been horrible, whole families in crisis, on the brink of loosing their faith and all. How did they take it, Talesin, the average JW, I mean? Was it like that? Arguing and things like that? Or did they just gobble it down like always? LoL, I sure would have liked to be a fly on the wall when that happened, though. Maybe asked for the microphone, and said "well,yeah, had to call it off, seems it was the four horsemens horses that had to get new shoes, and you know, counting in biblical times, that may take a thousand years, or something". Ha ha

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Apocalypse delayed again

by Hellrider in

i have not been in contact with jws since around 1988. i initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, i went to some meetings, but then i was thru, in 1988. the only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a jw), and the service was held at kh.

anyway, the point here is: it was new to me that the wts is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine.

and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means.

Hellrider

I have not been in contact with JWs since around 1988. I initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, I went to some meetings, but then I was thru, in 1988. The only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a JW), and the service was held at KH. Anyway, the point here is: It was new to me that the WTS is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine. and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means. Basically, that could mean that "the end" could happen anytime from right now till the year 20 334, or something like that, because they have allready "opened the door" to the possibility that people that were alive in 1914, do not have to be alive on Armageddon-day. It appears that they are moving away from the "the generation that experienced 1914 will not have died out before the end comes". The initial steps to do this, was taken in 1995. If you got out BEFORE 1995, there is a chance you don`t know this (unless you`ve read a lot, kept track of what they`ve been up to, etc. In my case, I`ve blocked it out for many years, and am only now confronting it again, at the age of 31). Anyway, I urge you to read this, if you to haven`t kept track of their continually changing doctrines. How on earth the JWs are able to swallow this though, is beyond me. Anyway, I urge you to read this, if you got out long time ago.

http://www.christadelphia.org/apoca.htm

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CHAMELEON JW's MORPH their NAME

by DannyHaszard in

new kingdom hall planned

bradenton herald, fl - 2 hours ago.

... the word "christian" has been added to jehovah's witnesses now because many people don't think witnesses are christian, honorine lowe said.

Hellrider

Bullcrap, they are not christians, and never were. Yes, without 2000 years of christianity, there would be no JWs, but their theology is so different from ALL other christian groups, that they have no right calling themselves christians. No holy trinity, no death on the cross (although the cross is mentioned several tims in the bible, I never bought into that "mistranslation from the greek word"-crap), eternal earthly life, the list goes on and on. They should stick with the JW-name, not changing it.