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  What Scripture is used to prove? Warning Long

  by Broken Hearted in

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  let me start by saying i apologize if this has been coved on this sight.

  i have read many post on many subjects, there is 5 years of post on here and with no search engine to type in what i am looking for hard to find,

  okay i have received a few of the wts publications, a couple of the current watch towers (july 1, and july 15), the july awake, the publications on the trinity, blood, and what does god require of us, i also have the book what does the bible really teach?

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  Hellrider

  okay I keep reading, then I see where they go over and address the question using, Galatians 5:19:21, Well that is all and good, However the Whole Context should have been starting with verse 16 and going to verse 26. These verses are talking about walking and being guided with the holy sprit, I understand they used 19-21 because of the nature of the question however I don't feel you should take it out of context; it needs to be there in its entirety.

  The WTS doesn`t care about context. They use the "cut and paste"-method in their "approach". They just pick a verse here and a verse there to support whatever crazy doctrine they want to establish. It also helps that very few JWs will bother actually looking up the verse quoted (except when at meetings, then the verse will be looked up, but of course, never read in its entire context, just the verse, ha ha). The reason why they weren`t able to trick you, is because you weren`t that lazy: You actually opened your Bible, and read not only the verse quoted, but the chapter in its entirety. Congratulations!
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  Sorry, another 607 question? I'm confused.

  by lost_light06 in

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  im trying to figure something out concerning the wts 607-1914 chronology that has me confused.

  i thought they based the chronology on when jerusalem was destroyed.

  however, the following is taken from the daniel book and it seems to base it on something else.

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  Hellrider

  The "seven times" prophecy starts with the beginning of exiles being taken to Babylon, which obviously happened when Jerusalem's destruction was finished. That's how we arrive at 607 a the correct date, because even historians acknowledge that the exile lasted 70 years and ended in 537.

  Nope, you can`t do that. Scholar jw doesn`t understand that either. It puzzles me why noone understands that noone understands that. You can`t count back from 537 and arrive at 607! This is because 537 (or 539) aren`t pivotal dates! The WTS has announced these dates as "safe bets", they are the pivotal dates, and then you can count back 70 years. Nope, it doesn`t work that way! The dates 537 and 539 are not "pivotal dates", they are derived dates based on a chronology that sets the destruction of Jerusalem at around 587/586, the first attacks on jewish land to around 609, Nebuchadnezzars reign beginning in 605, etc. These (early) dates are more of "pivotal dates" than 539 and 537. And so, what does this mean, mathematically?... It means you have certain early "pivotal dates" from which you get a (later) derived date. And you can`t go back from the derived date to change the pivotal date!

  Why can`t any of the JW-apologists understand that? It`s actually pretty simple...and I`m not even very good at math...
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  Four Horsemen

  by moomanchu in

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  rev 6:1,2

  how can the lamb open the seal and ride out on the white horse all at he same time?

  the rider of the white horse held a bow and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

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  Hellrider

  The Four Horsemen, great Metallica-song!

  Metallica

  The Four Horsemen

  By the last breath of the fourth winds blow
  Better raise your ears
  The sound of hooves knocks at your door
  Lock up your wife and children now
  It's time to wield the blade
  For now you have got some company

  The Horsemen are drawing nearer
  On the leather steeds they ride
  They have come to take your life
  On through the dead of night
  With the four Horsemen ride
  or choose your fate and die

  You have been dying since the day
  You were born
  You know it has all been planned
  The quartet of deliverance rides
  A sinner once a sinner twice
  No need for confession now
  Cause now you have got the fight of your life

  The Horsemen are drawing nearer
  On the leather steeds they ride
  They have come to take your life
  On through the dead of night
  With the four Horsemen ride
  or choose your fate and die

  Time
  has taken its toll on you
  The lines that crack your face
  Famine
  Your body it has torn through
  Withered in every place
  Pestilence
  For what you have had to endure
  And what you have put others through
  Death
  Deliverance for you for sure
  There is nothing you can do

  So gather round young warriors now
  and saddle up your steeds
  Killing scores with demon swords
  Now is the death of doers of wrong
  Swing the judgment hammer down
  Safely inside armor blood guts and sweat

  The Horsemen are drawing nearer
  On the leather steeds they ride
  They have come to take your life
  On through the dead of night
  With the four Horsemen ride
  or choose your fate and die
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  Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?

  by jwfacts in

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  the watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.

  as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.

  but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.

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  Hellrider

  WW1 was important only in the sense that it changed warfare forever. The old tactics combined with modern weapons was catastrophic for the soldiers. But about the horrors of World War 1, the horrors were mainly for the soldiers in the trenches. For the most part, the civilians were spared, and the larger cities across Europe were relatively untouched. The parents and wives were very shocked about the state of their sons and husbands when they came home from the front. To most of them, the only effect they had felt from the war, was the shortage of food. WW2 was a whole different thing. The majority of the casualties were civilians. If there was a turning point in (modern) history, it was WW2, not the first one.
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  YAY :)

  by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

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  w/ my boyfriend this sunday!!!.

  i am so excited :p. ** just thought i would come here and say that

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  Hellrider

  IFTNP, just one thing:

  You say it`s an evangelical church: Some of them are ok (I guess), but I know that some of these evangelists can also be a bit obsessed with the "end-times" too. Some of them are eagerly awaiting "the rapture" (when the christians are sucked up into heaven, and judgement day starts here on earth, ha ha), so I just hope the church you`re going to attend is "moderate". If not, search on. It`s good that you`re still thinking for yourself, and not letting a cult-leader/elder/pastor do it for you! I believe that christianity (for those that choose that) was never meant to be a "follow the psychopath-leader"-thing, it was meant to be a personal thing. At least those ("personal" christians) are the only christians I have ever met that are truly happy about their faith.
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  YAY :)

  by I-follow-the-narrow-path in

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  w/ my boyfriend this sunday!!!.

  i am so excited :p. ** just thought i would come here and say that

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  Hellrider

  KW:

  I see you decided to go along with the witnesses, all i can say is good luck.

  No, I think she decided to drop that. I think she means some other place. Good for her (I just hope its a regular church, and not another cult).
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  I can't believe they still include crap like this on the CDROM

  by XBEHERE in

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  *** yy chap.

  5 p. 39 par.

  9 masturbation and homosexuality ***.

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  Hellrider

  Ha ha.

  I can assure anyone who may believe that masturbation leads to homosexuality, that this is not correct. I have had lots of sex with myself, and this has never made me have any desire to have sex with any other man than myself.

  I wonder how old the people writing that crap is. Next they`ll probably tell you that you`ll go blind if you rub it.
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  My (censured) open letter to the Governing Body

  by Khufu in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hi everyone, below is a copy of my letter to the governing body that i had published on the internet in october 2004. i was threatened with disfellowshipping for that publication.

  you may read the full story on my previous thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/115231/1.ashx

  philip (khufu)

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  Hellrider

  I guess the WTS has two arguments:

  1) The whole "the blood is the life"-thing.

  2) Abstain from blood is part of the kosher-law of the OT, and is repeated in the NT (or is it???...)

  Anyway, part 2 of the argument is laid to rest by Jesus himself. Jesus made it perfectly clear that the Sabbath-rules (as in...rules of the OT, the Law) can be broken when a life is a stake, as he healed people on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10, Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16). As for part 1 of the argument, the WTS has completely misunderstood the view of the body, soul and spirit thruout the entire Bible.
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  Celebrated WT scholars? :)

  by Augustin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  prof lester l. grabbe on rolf furuli's "oslo chronology":.

  "once again we have an amateur who wants to rewrite scholarship" (jsot 28:5 [2004], p. 42).. ...celebrated wt scholars?

  --augustin --

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  Hellrider

  Scholar jw:

  Alan F

  You are an outsider and do not have any knowledge of our organization or how it functions. You are by your admission an agnostic which says much about your Christian heritage and upbringing and you have no spiritual outlook or vision. I care nought about your opinions of the 'celebrated WT scholars' and you are quite free to have your own opinions about this matter. I frankly could not care less about what you think because you are an apostate, a person without hope, faith and love.

  Regarding your posts 4466 and 4468 I have told you repeatedly that I will attend to such matters at my own convenience and not yours. Such opinions are not of great priority and because everyone sucks up to you and thinks you are are so great does not impress me in the slightest. Your buffoonery, ill manners and lack of respect reflects poorly on ; your character as a man and a person who was once exposed tol Christian virtue. You should take stock of youself and wake up to yourself.

  As I have said when I am good and ready your pleas of help will be attended to in a Christlike manner so you must exercise patience. Scholar has to reply to many other posts on this forum and has a busy life of study, work, service, meetings, research, writing, contemplation, meditation and other good works and noble deeds.

  scholar JW

  Holy f....you sir,are the most arrogant person I have ever had the "pleasure" of meeting.

  Oh, and by the way, go careful on the "meditation", you know that it can open up your mind to "demonic posession", don`t you? Well, that`s what I heard (at the KH, so it was probably something that was once written in the WT by your "celebrated watchtower-scholars)...
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  The faithlessness here

  by grissom6471 in

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  2. friends

  it is a shame that people are here portraying themselves as jehovah's witness as having some knowlege or going to meetings.

  what exists here is a complete lack of faith in anything.

  and a great amount of stupidity.

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  Hellrider

  Grissom:

  What exists here is a complete lack of faith in anything

  .What do you know about that? There are many people here that have faith in all sorts of things. Some have faith in God (no, not the JW-god). I have faith in universal morals, I believe in right and wrong. What do you have faith in? A desert-God invented by the WTS named Jehovah? (there never was such a God as "Jehovah", that name is a 13th-century invention/misreading of the tetragrammation. His real name was Yahweh or Yahu").

  It is a shame that people are here portraying themselves as Jehovah's Witness as having some knowlege or going to meetings

  I was raised in what you refer to as "the Truth". I spent the first 17 years of my life in the KH, in field service, at conventions (our summer "vacations", ha ha), doing all the things that you do. There are others here that have spent their entire lives in "the Truth". Who the f##k do you think you are, coming on here and boldly stating that people here lack knowledge? I probably know more about your religion than you do yourself, partly because I am not afraid of looking at what was doctrine 20, 40, 90 years ago. And I am not afraid of askin myself "why did the Truth change"?

  Can all people do here is complain? No one has any backbone anyway.

  People here have stood up against the abuse they experienced thru many years as JWs, or children of JWs. There are people here that have been physically, mentally and/or sexually molested. They stood up against that, and broke away. While you, on the other hand, spend countless hours a week sitting at the KH, listening to some old retard regurgitating the same old speeches he has held for the last 30 years, and spending you Saturdays out in field, knocking on doors to make money for the WatchTower. Without getting anything back, except for the hope of a future paradise erath which is never coming.

  I wonder who has no backbone.