By the way: The sect you are a part of, is relatively new,it`s only been around for around 150 years. Yes, false prophets would rise in the last days, and "black sheep" would slip quietly into the congregation, subverting the faith. What makes you so sure that it`s not the organisation of Jehovahs witnesses that are these black sheeps, slipping into the world (congregation) of Christendom (1950 years of christendom and christian tradition), subverting the true faith? After all, nowhere in the Bible it is said or predicted that the christian congregation/followers of Jesus Christ would evolve into a religion of apostates (and actually, according to JW-doctrine, satanists!!!!), so that a "new" christian-based religion would evolve in "the last days",and "save" the original, true faith? Could you please show me where that is said, in the Bible (the real Bible, I mean, not the "NWT"). The Christianity of the Catholic and Prostestant church are direct descendants of the early christian sects, continuing the worship of Christ as deity, a part of The God, God that came to earth as a man (while still in heaven, and all around us at the same time - I know this is the hard part to understand for a JW, but even the early christians understood this, and it`s based on a doctrine/belief even JWs accept, that everything is possible for God, so I don`t understand why they won`t accept this part). So, again: What makes you so sure that you and your religion is not the apostate of the christian congregation of the world? (by the way: ever thought of why it is called just that: Christianity?)
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IM from a dub who is disgusted at my presence on this board
by stillajwexelder ini have read your posts and am suprised, shocked and disgusted at the fact you still are an active witness who goes to the meetings 70% of the time and at the same time go to apostefests and curse and talk bad about the truth.
dont you know that the bible said people like you would quietly slip in the congregation and subvert the faith of some?
are you not afraid of god and jesus?
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IM from a dub who is disgusted at my presence on this board
by stillajwexelder ini have read your posts and am suprised, shocked and disgusted at the fact you still are an active witness who goes to the meetings 70% of the time and at the same time go to apostefests and curse and talk bad about the truth.
dont you know that the bible said people like you would quietly slip in the congregation and subvert the faith of some?
are you not afraid of god and jesus?
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Dont you know that the bible said people like you would QUIETLY slip in the Congregation and subvert the faith of some?
The meetings are still open to everyone, aren`t they? If they are NOT, then you admit it yourself, that your religion is a sect/cult!!!!!!!
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The Ressurection Hope.
by Daunt inok, i never understood this.
ok so the jw's believe that we should try to get all the people we can into the force so they can go to the new world.
but, there was a series of talks about the ressurection about a month ago, saying right after armeggedon we're going to be ressurected and continue living through the thousand year rain where people's scrolls will be wiped clean and satan and his demons won't be able to tempt us anymore.
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So let me get this straight, when the time comes God is going to smite 99.9% of the world's population, then just bring them back to life in the same place and everybodies going to live a thousand years somewhere and then you will be judged on the sins you commit then.
No, this is not correct! (unless there has been a "new light" since my time, that is...). The belief is that all those that have died BEFORE Armageddon comes, will be ressurected. I think that is something like a "when you die, your sins are washed away"-thing. I`m not sure (nor was I ever) if this relates to only those that haven`t/didn`t hear about "the Truth" while they were still alive, or if it`s only for those that were ignorant of the Truth. I`m not even sure the religion has a doctrine about this particular part (there`s so much bs and stuff/scenarios they haven`t even thought about, but you Know Jehover moves in mysterious ways). So, the belief is that all people of the world, pluss some JWs that haven`t lived according to the religion (unless they repent and are truly sorry in fron of two or three elders...) are going to die in Armageddon, and these people (99.9% of all humanity, yup, all the innocent children too ffs), dying in this catastrophic, extreme-violence, blood-running-like-rivers-and-birds-of- prey-feasting-on-their-rotten-carcasses-Apocalypse, are NOT going to get a resurrection (and I seriously doubt they have changed this doctrine, LoL, because it`s kind of an attractive belief, in all its morbid gore, ha ha). ALL other people ever having lived since the beginning of time, are going to be ressurected, perhaps with the exception of Judas Iscariot, cause I asked that question at a book study once when I was around 13, and the elder there said he didn`t think Judas would be ressurected. So I don`t know how many people have lived on the earth since the beginning of time, but I would say that there would be enough to fill it up, yessir. The J-dubs can forget about getting paradise all to themselves, at least, ha ha.
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confusion
by inarock&ahardplace ini am going through a difficult time with my feelings on things.
i have a really good friend that helps me with research she has done in regards to "is this the true religion", but has anyone else out there been so torn that even with evidence one way or another in front of you, you still feel empty when you think of not having the 'truth' in your life?
i have 3 children and was raised in the 'truth' so was my husband.
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I miss some aspects of it, esp for my children,
?? I was raised in the JWs too, and believe me, you don`t have to miss any part of it on behalf of your children! Growing up without the JW-insanity is the best gift you can give them! That way, they might grow up to be normal persons, socially well-adapted, not neurotic wrecks (like I am) dealing with a childhood of fear of Jehovah, Armageddon and demons, way up into their adult "lives". You are doing the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Explaining the hateful passages of the Bible
by Rex inhere is a link to an author whose books may help you:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0060762055/ref=ase_agoramedia-20/103-0623759-2877415
bishop shelby spong is of well repute in liberal theological circles.
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Why is it that so often these bible people who know all the answers will only share them w their choir
He`s just trying to sound mysterious and intellectual. You know "I know something you don`t", and at the same time he has this insecurity deep down inside, "what if I`m wrong?". So preaching to the choir isn`t such a bad idea.
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WT Society's infinite wisdom on Rev. 5:10 (barf alert)
by ithinkisee inwhat a pile of crap (especially the closing sentence after their lame interpretation): .
*** w60 6/15 pp.
383-384 questions from readers ***.
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So what are they now doing in heaven?
...hanging out...drinking scotch, smokin weed. Not on the clock yet, you know.
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Corrupting historical facts
by Hellrider inat the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
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In his book Persian Chronology, Furuli distinguishes himself as a true crackpot and pseudo-scholar -- just like most JW apologists, including and especially Watchtower Writing Staff members, so often do. Furuli's method of linguistic interpretation of certain key scriptures is to begin with an overall Watchtower-oriented interpretation of "Bible chronology", and then bend and twist the specific interpretations to fit -- even to the extent of inventing new forms of Hebrew grammar and word meanings that no true scholar would go along with. His method of dealing with ancient cuneiform texts is to reject the 99.99% that conform with, and are in fact the foundation of, standard secular history, and then build a chronology based on the 0.01% that don't fit or seem to fit. No good scholar would go along with such ridiculous interpretive methods. Such dishonest scholarship is completely in line with long Watchtower practice.
That`s exactly what I suspected (although I have not read his book, and doubt I ever will, I don`t like wasting my time). The disgusting part of this,and the part that upsets me the most, isn`t that a JW is writing a book about 587 vs 607, but the fact that a trained and educated scholar (although not in history) is using his academic position to promote his religious views. That is to CORRUPT the academic institution, nothing less! I place it all the way up there with David Irving, who is trying to rewrite the story of the Holocaust and WW2 to fit his own extreme right-wing views. Unfortunately, the subject of Babylonian chronology isn`t as tense as holocaust/ww2, the only ones that give a shit, are JWs and x-JWs. Therefore, he probably won`t be shunned in the academic environment for doing this, and no matter how much his book is slaughtered by serious historians, the fact that "a book has been written by a professor, supporting the 607-date" is the only part of this whole thing that the average JW will hear. It`s sole purpose is to strengthen JW-doctrine over the poor, allready brainwashed dubs. I certainly hope that Furuli has written his own academic suicide-note by writing this book.
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Service Meeting for Week Starting July 25, 2005
by TheListener insong 138.
15 min: local announcements.
read accounts report and donation acknowledgments.
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10 min: Indoctrinate the Truth in Your Child's Heart. (Deut. 6:7)
EXACTLY! My mother used to say that the reason for adult baptism was that the child should "choose for himself, whether or not he/she wants to serve Jehovah". Well mom, that`s not exactly correct, the fact is that you become indoctrinated from the day you`re born! The choice you make as an adult is between life in that hypocritical, psychologically damaging cult, and a short life as an apostate, daily fearing Jehovahs apocalyptic bloodbath in which you are going to die, violently! (cause that`s what your heart believes for years, decades after the logical parts of the mind has dismissed it). And that`s the godawful truth!
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Corrupting historical facts
by Hellrider inat the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
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Now serious researchers will have a chance to peer review it and tear it apart if it is wrong as many suggest it is. ; If 607 BCE stayed only on pages of WTBS publications it would never have ;gotten attention of serious experts.
Maybe. But on the other hand, if (when) serious experts tear it apart, that will not reach the ears of the average JW. The only thing they will hear, is that "a serious scholar, one of our own, even (gasp), has now written a book where he proves the fall of Jerusalem in 607bc". They`ll all applaud, even half of the congregation doesn`t even know or understand why that date is important, the other half knows it is, but doesn`t know why. All they`ll hear is that "a jw showed all those worldly people, yessir, opened up a can of Truth on them, thank you Jehover-god in the name of Jeeesus." The rebuttals of the academic institutions won`t reach the WT-publications, and even if they did, the WT would come up with some idiotic explanation, and the dubs would swallow it down like all the other crap, I mean articles. And even if the WT ever had to admit that Furuli was probably wrong, they`d fix it by a "but doesn`t Jehovah guarantee that 607bc had to be the date, taking the apocalyptic year 1914 into the equation? Yes, he does, we now bring a heart of wisdom in, that with the magnitude of the events of 1914 in mind, all we have to do is count 2520 years backwards bla bla bla". Swallow every word.
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Explaining the hateful passages of the Bible
by Rex inhere is a link to an author whose books may help you:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0060762055/ref=ase_agoramedia-20/103-0623759-2877415
bishop shelby spong is of well repute in liberal theological circles.
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In the absence of
Goda Great Over-Arching Deliberate Plan for the Universe, how and why is life not meaningless? I have my own embryonic ideas, but I'd like to hear yours, please.I`m not an atheist, I consider myself a very sceptical agnostic.I refuse to believe there is a God anywhere, but on the other hand I don`t dismiss that there are universal laws, moral laws that have the same basic core, laws that are the same for each and every man in the universe (Moral realism). I do NOT see these laws as just sympathy/empathy. I wouldn`t call this absolute norm God, though, but I can see that many people confuse these moral laws with God, or see them as proof that God exists. However, there is nothing more inlogical about this view, than the belief in God. The basic argument for the existence of God, is that creation needs a creator. This is per se inlogical, because that creator would also need a creator, the next one would need a creator also etc etc in infinity/ad infinitum. So assuming that there "is something" like absolute moral laws without the existence of God, is no more inlogical than assuming that there would have to be a God to create these laws.And I certainly don`t believe in an afterlife. When you die, that`s it, no reward, no punishment. But I believe that if you take this view of life, and use it as an excuse to do whatever you like (kill, rob, rape etc), you will have failed! But it has nothing to do with God at all. I don`t know how to explain it. Moral realism is a very complex idea.