Posts by Hellrider

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What Reasons Were Given to Prove that Armageddon Was Near?

by NeonMadman in

i'm thinking back to all the "signs" that were cited - officially and unofficially - as reasons we knew that armageddon would be coming any day now.

there was a fellow in my book study 30 years ago who used to bring time magazine to every meeting.

to him, whatever was in the news that week was evidence that the system couldn't hold out much longer.

Hellrider

the funniest one to me was when somebody somewhere put a cat in a microwave. my mom was convinced that was it for this system of things.

Ha ha, that`s so funny. Oh dear, JW-mothers are so funny. Here`s another one (a little on the side of this topic): In the 70s and early 80s, there was this magician that was on TV a lot, Uri Geller, I`m not sure, but I think he maybe was from Israel. Well, my mother watched this guy bend spoons and doing psychic-stuff (guessing the letters on a hidden paper and stuff like that), and she was convinced that he had demonic powers, that he was in direct contact with Satan himself. Uri Geller was a big deal on norwegian television for a while, and my mother got totally obsessed with him! Watching him bending spoons and all that stuff was dangerous, because he was, after all, in posession of demonic powers, but she had to watch, she was so intrigued by that guy (he wa pretty handsome too, if memory serves me right). And then, when this sceptic/hoax-buster-guy named Randi, exposed Geller on some american talkshow, she saw it as a battle between godly and satanic powers. Oh, my mom was piece of work.

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Called the information desk again about the UN

by skyman in

i have called many times in the past.

this time i was calling for a sister that wanted to know the truth from the society.

the brother from the information desk said they did join but realy they were tricked.

Hellrider

Make her call again and ask the guy at the desk how it is possible to be tricked ten times in a row. That`s right, the NGO-contract has to be renewed every year. So that means that they signed these papers ten times from 1991 to 2001. Not even a retard...ehrm, mentally challenged person will usually get tricked ten times in a row. And why did they have UN papers, correspondance with the UN anyway? It`s as lame as that library-excuse. They teach their members that the UN is the organisation of the devil!! Why are they themselves doing business with the devil?

(unless...they are... the servants of Beelzebub, Satan, Lucifer, the Prince of Daaaarknessss....)

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What Reasons Were Given to Prove that Armageddon Was Near?

by NeonMadman in

i'm thinking back to all the "signs" that were cited - officially and unofficially - as reasons we knew that armageddon would be coming any day now.

there was a fellow in my book study 30 years ago who used to bring time magazine to every meeting.

to him, whatever was in the news that week was evidence that the system couldn't hold out much longer.

Hellrider

The S.A.L.T-agreements and the other peace talks between the Soviet union and USA (I particularly remember the Reykjavik-meeting, for some reason). Sure signs that they would soon say "peace and no danger", according to my mother and all her friends. I remember imagining how that would be, l pictured it as one night we would watch television, and then the news guy would come on in the middle of a program: "We bring you now a special news report. There is now peace and no danger!"....and that would be the cue, all hell would break loose. I remember being really scared of that expression, "peace and no danger". (Cause unlike all the others, I actually didn`t look forward to Armageddon, I was scared shitless of it. Think I must have been born apostate...)

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Suitable careers for JW children to aim for!

by Gill in

the october the 1st watchtower has interesting views on the education of jw children.. page 30, in which one jw explains how he ended up in ft service says:.

'we did not associate with our school mates but only with those in the congregation who had good spiritual habits.'.

interesting as this shows judgmentalism and criticism 'even' in the jw congregation.. then on page 31 it explains how parents must offer their children, as early as possible, proper guidance in their choice of school subjects and vocation goals.. 'rather than choose academic subjects that are geared toward a university education, parents and children need to consider courses that are useful in pursuing a theocratic career.'.

Hellrider

'Rather than choose academic subjects that are geared toward a university education, parents and children need to consider courses that are useful in pursuing a theocratic career.'

Window washing and janitor-work, you mean? Hm...how many janitors are they gonna need in the 1000year-reign, I wonder.

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

Hellrider

the bible teaches right from the beginning that the family of God or the elohim is comprized of many Sons of God who ; are all
elohim or super beings which number in the millions all of these are said to be the children of one entity called the god of the elohim or the god of gods who's name is given as YHWH.
following the bible story one of the elohim was designated to voluntarily give up the form of dvinity to adopt the form of a slave [human]

Zen nudist: You are basing that conclusion on JW-doctrine, that Jesus is/was Michael the archangel, sent to earth on a mission. As far as I know, only JWs are the only religious group that believes this. The rest of christianity, whether they believe in the trinity or not, don`t see Jesus as "only" an angel sent to earth. And the number three is not what the trinity is all about. The trinity is a belief that God is almighty, and logics/physical laws don`t apply to him. If God choose to be in several places at once (all over the place, like the holy ghost) or in heaven (as the Father) or on earth in human form, that`s up to him/it. And for God (who is omnipotent/almighty) this is not selfcontradictory. Whether the bible supports this view, that`s another question. But some believe that it does.

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

Hellrider

JosephMalik:

You seem to think the text was written with precision and protected by God in this way? That is your argument but anyone should be able to see that God did not protect the text in this way.

First of all: I am arguing this from a christian perspective, even though I don`t consider myself a christian myself (at least not friday nights...)

From a christian perspective: If God didn`t protect the text, at least thru the first couple of hundred years, then the text can`t be trusted at all. To me it`s an either/or-question. If God (by some kind of guidance/intervention) didn`t protect the texts, at least in the beginning, how can it be trusted? It could have been changed beyond recognition, the text could say anything, things we would even consider heresy/ungodly today! The JWs could even (principally) be right in their horrible mistranslation of the Bible! (they could be right by chance) And as for hermeneutical approaches, I have nothing but contempt for that. There is no (stabile) cultural bond between ourselves and the first christian congregations, or any part of humanity, 2000 years ago, for that matter. And if we had to second-guess or way thru 2000 years of culture to be able to determine what the Bible really says,I doubt that would be possible.

You see regardless of how it was written, it was not copied with precision much less translated thus. There are many variations, additions or versions some of which are difficult to resolve.

I am aware that there are many variations, but as I have no knowledge of greek, I don`t know what these differences are. Are there diverging texts on key issues (I would regard all paragraps concerning Jesus words about himself, "Ego eimi", things like that, key issues, whereas whether Onan "spilleth his seed on the floor" or "spilleth his seed on the table" is not a key issue), or just "small differences"?

The Cannon itself is a best guess

If that is the case, then there is no christianity. There might be "religion", based upon old greek and hebrew texts, but christianity as we know it today, would be a complete heresy (speaking from a christian viewpoint).

The protection is somewhere else and is not compromised by such alteration or those responsible for it

Hm, I`m not sure what you mean by that. That there is an "untouchable" version of the Bible, in heaven? Like the Quran, which moslems claim is only a "materialised" version of an allready pre-existing text in heaven? Ok,I have no problem with that. But that would mean that God revealed himself to man,made sure the account was written down, only to get out and leave the rest up to us, not caring if the account of his visit would be corrupted until it wasn`t any longer recognisable, leaving countless generations stumbling around in the dark after some sense of truth.

However, I`m not saying I completely disagree with you. I just disagree with you when discussing this with the "christian part" of me. I know that from a non-christian perspective, what you say makes perfect sense. But it would alter the world and 2000 years of christianity completely, with huge theological implications.

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THIS is a DANGEROUS PLACE

by peggy in

because you all inform with logic.

i have been reading for several months now.

not even sure how i found this site.

Hellrider

Hellrider - thats an excellent summary of precisely what happened to me. ; I'm very thankful ;I ;didn't end up a junkie or a prostitute although sometiems the I've had but narrow escapes. I still have problems, but something held me back from going to the ultimate extreme. Maybe I had some self respect in there somewhere.

Crumpet: Yes, I was a bit "out there" too, for a while, in my early twenties. Alcohol and pot was my great joy in life. I used to drink a lot, but as I got older, I got tired of being hung over all the time. I never went to the ultimate extreme either, I never tried any of the hard drugs. Thank God.

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

Hellrider

What good are grammar arguments in proving a something like this? We have grammatical rules today and may think that similar rules existed then but did they? And were such authors schooled in such rules? Further has anyone ever broken a grammatical rule to emphasize a point?

This isn`t just an argument concerning the topic in question, but an argument that could undermine the authority of the entire Bible, in my opinion. If we were to assume that God wouldn`t protect his legacy by at least making sure the ones that wrote down his words, were capable of writing grammatically correct, the entire Bible must be seen as a fairytale. And yes, many people (writers do it all the time) break grammatical rules to prove a point. Like when Jesus says "I am he", that`s not a gramatically correct sentence in english (I don`t know about in greek, though). If the author of the text was capable of doing such things, it is likely that he was very a very capable writer, as using "grammatical errors" as a literary tool is something most people won`t use until they are very capable in a language (unlike me in english, for example..) If grammatical rules were different back then (of course they were), it is a task for biblical researchers/ linguists to work on these things, showing us how the sentence are to be understood, in the light of that (ancient) grammar. That the authors of the texts were skilled in the grammar of that day, is beyond doubt, in my opinion.

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THIS is a DANGEROUS PLACE

by peggy in

because you all inform with logic.

i have been reading for several months now.

not even sure how i found this site.

Hellrider

NAH PEP, I just think it is interesting that the WT warns against the internet. I guess;I took that as a danger, a danger to my spiriual health. I have never been very good with rules

Unfortunately, and very sadly, those people (that aren`t very good with rules) are usually the ones that are able to escape the WT-brainwashing. The rebellious, angry (often damaged) kids are the ones that break out when they grow up, and having been told their entire life that "worldly people" engage in promiscuis sex, constant drinking, doing drugs, etc, they think that it`s ok for them to do this too, now that they are "part of the world". And anyway, Jehovah is gonna kill him/her anyway in Armageddon, right, so why not? (The belief in the religious system of the WT still hangs in there for many years after having gotten out, it definitely did with me, even today, more than a decade later, I feel this anxiety in my gut whenever I hear about some disaster somewhere in the world, end times, boooohh ;o). I know that one of the sons of one of the elders in my congregation went from drinking at his first "worldly" party, to having tried heroine (!!!) for the first time, in only two months! Cause thats what "worldly people do". Wild youth break out, and damage themselves even more, when they do. Whereas the good kids just stay behind, trapped in this "religion" (cult). It`s so sad, my wonderful niece is now 18, finished high school with all top grades (cause she`s a good girl), and now she`s going to pioneer (cause she`s a good girl). She`ll probably be trapped in witnoid hell for the rest of her life, until she is brainwashed beyond hope (cause she`s a good girl...).

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"Some Things To Bear In Mind Regarding Apostates"

by Hellrider in

the books of russel and rutherford can be read online on this website (link provided by blondie, thnx):.

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/csoon.html.

...now, heres the fun part: the website is run by a faithful jw, and his motivation for publishing these books, is that these books can also be read at "apostate" websites.

Hellrider

LOL hellrider! hilarious.

I checked his website again today, but he has removed my post, along with another post, someone calling himself Ted Jaracs, saying "this site must cease to exist now!"

Hm...maybe I`ll go over and post some more "spiritual food" for this faithful witnoid.