this article from awake!
in may 1980 is an example of the worst sort of emotional argument.
i'm just going to post it, barf, and then comment later.. *** g80 5/22 p. 16 ***.
I have a question: if we are "human beings" from the moment of conception, then why don't we start counting how old someone is until the day they are born? If a woman has a baby on July 1st, then the next day we would say that that baby is one day old, not 9 months and 1 day old.
Is that supposed to be an argument for pro-choice?
If so, that is absurd.
we all know that one is coming.
with the old time gb all dead or incapacitated, .
the new wave of jw leadership has to come up .
Possibly being able to accept all blood fractions just not whole blood.
They can that allready, just not all fractions at the same time (yes, it`s now really, really stupid). There was a thread about it not long ago:
"so what's the big deal about the date 607 b.c.
being off by 20 years?
" "that was a long time ago, and i can't see where it really matters".
I have long observed that if the Society lets go of the albatross that 607 BC has proven to be and adopt 587/6 BC, they will have a "biblical basis" for the 1935 date.
I think they would have to wait a while before they do that. To all the old-timers, and to anyone over the age of...30, the mantra "1914", this "momentous date" has been so hammered in, that it can`t be just dropped over night. And even if they did, that would it accomplish? They have allready dropped the literal interpretation of "generation", and can`t just switch back to it, and even if they did, they would then face the "generation"-problem in ten years time anyways. Nope, I don`t think they will do that, 1935 isn`t drastic enough. And nothing "significant" happened in 1935 anyway, it`s a date derived from 1914 (not that any JWs would ever be able to think that thought, though). Nothing happened in 135. They should have changed it to 1957 (Sputnik) like R.Franz says they planned to. Nope, they`re stuck with 1914, I think, it won`t change in many years.
we all know that one is coming.
with the old time gb all dead or incapacitated, .
the new wave of jw leadership has to come up .
A lot of them probably think 1914 was a great success, because WW1 started that year! Seriously, I have heard this mentioned many times in support of that date.
If I was given some cash for every time I heard that "WW1 started that year"-thing, I`de be a rich man.
The JWs have been told so many myths about WW1 that they truly believe it when they think they can just use this date as "proof" of the beginning of the end times. To many JWs,especially the old ones, WW1 is the proof, not the 607-thing (which most of them don`t really understand anyway). I have tried to explain some of them how WW1 was really nothing new, and no biggie, when it comes to catastrophic events and suffering on a grand scale. But it`s like talking to deaf ears.
according to this past wt study are we waiting for the 8,000 or so anointed to die before the great tribulation or armaggedon come?
Let's have our cake and eat it too! Yay!!!
Of course. After all, what`s the point in having a cake if you can`t eat it?
Isn`t the newes GB-member in his 50s or something? He`ll probably live another 30 or 40 years (those GB-geezers live to be really old, that being high-on-power-crap must really do wonders for the health), so that will extend the time period until Armageddon long enough to do away with 1914 alltogether (or change it dramatically). Anyway, they`ll never run out of annointed, it`s just to declare that some dead "annointed" (and without specifying which ones, of course) to have been mistaken/lying about the annointed..ness (and what an insult to the dead that is, declaring, in abscentia, that you were a fraud. Not that I feel to sorry for them, of course).
here it is, the whole episode: .
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ssj9gc36bw8&search=scientology.
...it`s one of the funniest sout-park-episodes ever, i laughed till i dropped.
Dead from gunshot to the forehead. The scientologists tried to pass it off as a suicide, but there was no gunpowder on her hands or face, and the gun was a long-barelled revolver, so long that she would have had to hold it with both hands. It was probably murder, but I think they got away with it.
It`s really sad that Tom Cruise is so brainwashed, imo, because I think he`s a great actor, much better than what he`s given credit for. The part he played in Magnolia (great, great movie, one of my favorites) was really fantastic. And he was great in War of the Worlds too, that movie could have been crap if it didn`t have a good actor playing the leading part. Tom Cruise is really intense (well, he proved that to everyone on Oprahs couch, I guess, ha ha). But I`m thinking: Maybe he`s so intense because he is a brainwashed nutcase. Hm...
here it is, the whole episode: .
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ssj9gc36bw8&search=scientology.
...it`s one of the funniest sout-park-episodes ever, i laughed till i dropped.
lol, yes.
I hear some of you are saying that this evil alien-king in outer space-crap is no more inlogical than the belief in God. I`m not really sure about that...(although I am not a god-believer myself) but it would be an interesting discussion.
Anyway: The more I googled around, the more impressed I get with the South Park-creators. They`ve really done their homework. Nothing in that episode is "wrong" concerning what scientologists really believe. I followed the link from XJW4EVER and check out these letters, sent from a scientologist-woman, sent from the Scientology-"fleet"! Yes, they have their own navy, ha ha, you know, for when the shit hits the fan and the nazis, drug cartelles and pharmacy-industry starts the persecution of the scientologists, and they war starts. The navy is called "Sea Org". The letters were written shortly before she died from a gun-shot to the head on board the ship:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/index.html
Susan Meister was introduced to Scientology in San Francisco in the autumn of 1970. By November, she was working at the San Francisco Org. She was an eager convert, and tried to persuade her parents to become Scientologists. She wanted to be close to the "Founder," and contribute to "Clearing the Planet," so in February 1971 she joined the Sea Org. By the end of the month she was aboard the "Flagship" Apollo. Her stay there was brief and tragic. On May 8, she wrote to her mother:
Mother,
Do you recall talking to me about WW III - and where it would start if it were to start - father and most everyone else maintained that it would start in either China or Russia vs. U.S. and you said - oh no - it would originate in Germany - that the Nazis hadn't given up yet - ? Well babe, you were right - there is a new Nazi resurgence taking place in Germany - so now it's a race between the good guys in the white hats (Scientologists) [sic] and the Leipzig death camp (Nazis) [sic] the bad guys in the black hats - we'll win of course - but the game is exciting. Truth is stranger than fiction. As Alice [in Wonderland] says "Things get curiouser and curiouser!" Get into Scientology now. It's fantastic.
Love, Susan
Four days later, Susan Meister wrote this letter:
Dear Family,I just had a session an auditing session
Click to enlarge Susan Meister's letter to her family
Her last letter to her parents from the Apollo was dated June 1971. In it she thanked them for a birthday card, and a variety of gifts, including a new dress. She continued, showing the effect upon a young and impressionable mind Hubbard's obsession with the "great conspiracy" against him:
I can't tell you exactly where we are. We have enemies who are profiting from peoples' ignorance and lack of self-determinism and do not wish to see us succeed in restoring freedom and self-determinism to this planet's people. If these people were to find out where we are located - they would attempt to destroy us. Therefore, we are not allowed to say where this ship is located.
She once more urged her mother to read Hubbard's books, and take Scientology courses. Ten days after writing the letter, Susan was dead.
okay, so i suppose i asked for this...but regardless i'm ready to puke!
last week i e-mailed an old "dub" friend from another city.
she's had some health issues and i hadn't heard from her for a few months, and wanted to know how she was doing....her brother also recently got married and i asked about that as well.
Well, some of them are blunt enough to say it straight to your face that Jehovah is gonna kill you on Armageddon day. So for a JW, that mail wasn`t so bad. She sounded like the typical brainwashed JW, but at least not insane enough to pull the "rivers of blood" and "vultures picking out the eyes" and all that crap. She does sound like she is beyond hope, though...
i thought i would ask this question as i have been reading some fascinating information on some other sites as to the correct pronunciation of gods real name?
also for that matter, i ask what jesus proper pronounced name is?.
if you go to another country and tell people your name and instead of calling you your name as you pronounced it, they automatically transliterate it into their own language and call you by the name thay have transliterated it in to; would that annoy you after awhile?
Where did you get this idea?
Hm...I don`t know, lol. Here on the forum, I guess. Ok, so it`s not short for Yahowah, good to have that cleared up. I knew that Jehovah was a "new" invention from that monk in the 13th (or whatever it was, can`t remember), but I though that Yahweh was also a "new invention", and that noone knows how the name was pronounced. Well, if the "name" Yahweh was in use at the time of Jesus, then this makes "Jehovah" even more embarassing to the WTS. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up.
i thought i would ask this question as i have been reading some fascinating information on some other sites as to the correct pronunciation of gods real name?
also for that matter, i ask what jesus proper pronounced name is?.
if you go to another country and tell people your name and instead of calling you your name as you pronounced it, they automatically transliterate it into their own language and call you by the name thay have transliterated it in to; would that annoy you after awhile?
Narkissos:
Yahweh (or, less likely, Yahu/Yaho)
Isn`t Yahweh just a short-version of Yahowah?
