Hi, have you some links to newspaper concerning the social security and JW in Spain ? Thanks
chasson
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Toti demoted from Spanish Branch over recent Social Security and pensions
by iloowy inthe brother who over many decades had been the top-dog in spain branch of the wt, antonio "toti" rodriguez was demoted as the head of the legal dept.
and has been assigned a desk in the "service dept.
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JW reaction to the visit of Silentlambs in France
by chasson inhttp://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/081001194559.35cxo4op.htm.
google traduction:.
epinal, 1 october 2008 (afp) - 600 to 1,000 jehovah's witnesses in the vosges against accusations of pedophilia .
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On Belgium Bethel, JW have called the police for the 8 people, and have filmed the "opposant":
From http://therese.blogspace.fr/r48594/Religion-et-sectes/
Google traduction
"
Monday the day was positive.
I went in the morning at the hotel where I go.
Directorate underground drive to the European Commission where we deployed our premises before the banners.
We passed the security barrier.
We were well received, and even listened to advice. A dossier was handed over.
After that for some direction the European Parliament, to copy the same folder.
In people who have been warned that we had done during the day, there was a mole for the Jehovah's Witnesses we waited watching from a window. Once they have seen me and another person, they came out for us and we shoot film.
It does this every time, to try to complain to justice. As the lady was known Jehovah's Witnesses is a former and has participated with her husband for many television, it has set up an association to help victims of sects and that It also wrote a book recounting its history, it is considered satan. I myself am known at home, since I have filed a lawsuit, which I left publishing articles in the day, magazine and I make two passes on television, I too considered satan.
We have therefore warned the rest of the group that what happened happened and we are overshadowed.
We are back with the group to their congregations.
Despite several coup of bells, they did not open but the photographer continued to make pictures and another to film.
My friend with whom I had been spotted and began to get excited as we were aware they would not open as she, her husband and I would then, we have already decided to go to the subway and return the hotel which was scheduled a press conference and we realize that we are overdue.
We learned that shortly after we left they opened but only 4 people were able to enter. So the American Bowen who create the Association Silentlambs (the Silent Lambs), Mrs. Charline Delporte caring for an Association for Victims in France and two others were able to enter and submit a copy of the file.
These 4 people were just beginning as two pickup trucks filled with police and one arrived on the spot because they had been called for a demonstration. They are filled with 3 or 4 people waiting at the other door and found the situation ridiculous and they left immediately.
The hotel has held a press conference. There were 3 people assiciations that would make a report and a journalist of the agency Belga. Many other journalists had been invited but with the problems of banks Fortis and Dexia and the funeral of the father of our future queen, they were all taken.
The press conference went well.
We were followed all day by a team of Belgian television and we moved in a show that we will and will last 52 minutes. -
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JW reaction to the visit of Silentlambs in France
by chasson inhttp://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/081001194559.35cxo4op.htm.
google traduction:.
epinal, 1 october 2008 (afp) - 600 to 1,000 jehovah's witnesses in the vosges against accusations of pedophilia .
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chasson
From http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2008/10/02/les-temoins-de-jehovah-dans-la-rue-pour-se-defendre-d-accusations-de-pedophilie_1102490_3224.html Google traduction: For Jehovah's Witnesses, the cup is full. To their critics, the fight must continue. In unprecedented action in France, several hundred faithful Christian of this movement have demonstrated Wednesday 1 October, before the prefecture of Epinal to express their "outrage about the malicious and accusations of pedophilia" distilled by their opponents, according to Guy Canonici, President of the Christian Federation of Jehovah's Witnesses in France.
At the root of this "frustration", the difficulties encountered in the construction of a place of worship on the small regional common DEYVILLERS, neighboring Epinal and offensive anti-sect associations relayed by a former Jehovah's Witness American, William Bowen, on tour in France until October 3.
Founder of the association Silent Lambs, the former head of the movement in the United States asserts that "a third of children living in families of Jehovah's Witnesses" are or are likely to be sexually abused. " Assertions he had made in Paris to different actors in the fight against cults, including the new President of the Interministerial Mission vigilance and fight against sectarianism (MIVILUDES), Georges Fenech, who had chaired in 2006 parliamentary committee of inquiry stating that "45 000 children of Jehovah's Witnesses" were high in a sectarian context. "
Associations such as ADFI (Association for the Defense of families and individuals victims of sects) ensure that the Jehovah's Witnesses "protect" those guilty of sexual assault and pay compensation to victims to buy their silence. "For several years, our religious affairs office gave instructions that must be reported any known sexual abuse," Mr. Canonici denies.
Received by the Chief of Staff of the prefect of the Vosges, the head of the Jehovah's Witnesses also regrets that his movement is the subject of "discrimination" in the construction of places of worship. Designed to serve the approximately 20 000 faithful of eastern France, the project of building a "Hall of the Kingdom" of 1 600 places under DEYVILLERS has been pending since 2004, in the absence of a municipal building permit. A local association is struggling for four years to prevent the Jehovah's Witnesses on the Common 1 500 inhabitants. "They lead hard lives here", recognizes the association president, Hubert Sylvestre, who welcomed Mr. Bowen to DEYVILLERS, at a conference held before a hundred people.
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JW reaction to the visit of Silentlambs in France
by chasson inhttp://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/081001194559.35cxo4op.htm.
google traduction:.
epinal, 1 october 2008 (afp) - 600 to 1,000 jehovah's witnesses in the vosges against accusations of pedophilia .
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chasson
A photo of Bowen in front of the European parliament of Bruxelles:
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JW reaction to the visit of Silentlambs in France
by chasson inhttp://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/081001194559.35cxo4op.htm.
google traduction:.
epinal, 1 october 2008 (afp) - 600 to 1,000 jehovah's witnesses in the vosges against accusations of pedophilia .
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chasson
http://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/081001194559.35cxo4op.htm
Google traduction:
EPINAL, 1 October 2008 (AFP) - 600 to 1,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in the Vosges against accusations of pedophilia
About 600 Jehovah's Witnesses according to the police, a thousand according to organizers, demonstrated Wednesday afternoon at the prefecture in Epinal in the Vosges to protest against accusations of pedophilia against them.
The participants condemned the "serious accusations brought to misinform and to harm the Jehovah's Witnesses and prevent the construction of a place of worship" to DEYVILLERS (Vosges), told AFP Guy Canonici, president of the Federation of Christian Jehovah's Witnesses, after a meeting in prefecture 18.00.
"This is the straw that breaks the camel's back. We heard criticism for many years. But enough is enough!", Was indignant Mr. Canonici.
The anger of the faithful is against the association for the defense of the Environment DEYVILLERS (ADED), active since 2004 to prevent the construction of a "room of the kingdom" of 1,500 parking places with 500 seats in this village 1400 souls.
The Adede, with 400 members invited to a meeting Wednesday evening Bill Bowen, a Jehovah's Witness for 43 years, excommunicated because he exposed the hypocrisy of the church deal with victims of abuse, which would be more than 23,000 "throughout the world ", according to him.
"From the first day, officials of the organization deny the fact that there are victims (of sexual abuse, ie). They know the problem but refuse to deal with. They continue to hide. They are poor people, "said Bowen, president of the association" Silent lambs. "
Former "elder" of the movement, Bill Bowen, 51 years old, who worked at the organization's headquarters in New York said he received more than 7,000 testimonies of faithful abused "anywhere in the world," which he published a thousand stories on the website of "silent lambs".
"When a child is abused Catholic, her parents called the police. Among Jehovah's Witnesses, it needs to be called seniors, which retain the internal procedure. Thus, no story comes out," he told at d ' an interview with AFP.
The event Wednesday in Epinal is the same kind of "bullying tactics" of Jehovah's Witnesses to "do what they want," said the man.
Despite having bought four years ago land of 64 hectares to DEYVILLERS, Jehovah's Witnesses were unable to advance the project, the building permit is currently blocked by the mayor of the municipality.
Jehovah's Witnesses in 2007 called the dissolution of the Adede, because it orchestrated "a systematic campaign of denigration" carrying "of discriminatory actions to prevent the construction of a building of worship." The Correctional Court of Epinal has rejected in May 2007.
Mr. Bowen was received Tuesday by, among others, Georges Fenech, the chairman of the MIVILUDES (Interministerial Mission vigilance and fight against sectarianism), it was learned from this mission. -
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chasson
Interesting !!! And what was the argumentation of Hoover concerning the custodial of Rutherford ?
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Portugal 2 Germany 3
by Peppermint inwell that was a shock, those germans hey, always come through.
whose your money on now?
i would like to see turkey do well, they play with a lot of heart.
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chasson
Come on Italy, i hope a Germany-Italy in final !!!
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Consolation on Demand
by chasson ini have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .
here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.
this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".
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chasson
New one: Consolation April 1, 1942 : http://cchasson.free.fr/deposit/consolation/Consolation%20April%201,%201942.pdf Bye Charles
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Harvest SIftings Part II - PDF Download
by RR inokay everyone, here is the latest pdf file to add to your library.
over the holiday weekend i was cleaning out a storage room where i keep boxes and boxes of watchtower literature and came across harvest siftings (part ii), dated oct. 1, 1917. it was authored by j. f. rutherford and is "a reply to the paper called "light after darkness.
" which was written by the four ousted directors.. while i have an original copy of this paper, i have yet to find it, this pdf was made from a photocopy i made for research, as i didn't want to damage the original.
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chasson
Thanks RR !!! Are the scan without copyright ? Well to be more precise, could i take them on my website or make a link to your website ?
Charles
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Un Scandal: 2003 IAPSO and Watchtower
by chasson in.
i don't know if it has been mentionned here.. concerning this: http://www.iapso.org/pdf/review2003.pdf where the watchtower is mentionned as a costumer of the iapso service of the un, i have written on a french's forum some text, i hope that didier could sum-up and translate my thoughts.. just an extract of http://webbuy.iapso.org/conditions/conditions.asp to try to explain the problem concerning the condition to buy something with iapso:.
""2.1 you are only eligible to register and become an authorised user to use this website and request services provided by iapso for the purposes of assisting the un system, governments receiving aid, organizations co-operating with the un system such as donor government aid organizations and non-governmental organizations (ngos), as well as internationally recruited un staff members and experts with tax-free import privileges.
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chasson
I think that with the involvment of Watchtower with IAPSO (more ever than with DPI), we touch the real cause of the problem. I have had in 1996, a good contact with some "brothers and sisters" who were part of the Rwanda's team of AidAfrique, one of the sister has even be cited as an example of a good "volontary" in one of the Awake making the promotion of "the Volontaries Year" of the UN in 2001(Nadine). Without the facilities provided by th UNHCR (planes and jeep for example), it was not possible for the Watchtower to help their followers quickly in Congo. So at this date, to help JW it was necessary for the Watchtower to collaborate more deeper with one of th UN Agency. I believe that the involvment of Watchtower with DPI was clearly an error or an isolated event (even if it was at the top of Watchtower that the decision was taked) and not a planned ingrigiation of the Watchtower with UN.
After 1996 and since, this is not the case. Watchtower in 2001, when his association with DPI was knowned, has not been reluctant to cut the link with the DPI, because the major concern for this organisation with UN was not here.
If you take time to analyse the "humanitarian works" of the Watchtower (Burundi, Tanzania or Zaïre), they have taked place in country where JW was at odds not appreciated and sometimes persecuted. For example in Burundi they have builded a complete hospital and gave it to the authorities in 1998. If you read this: http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Burundi-RELIGIONS.html you will see that JW were banned in 1986 and re-accepted as missionnary groups in 2002. Is not surprising, isn't it ?
I see two major reason to the implication of Watchtower i, humanitarian works and her collaboration with some UN Agencies:
1/ The international public perception of JW: In occidental countries and particularly in France, their humanitarian works were well publicised at a time of the question if JW were a "cult" or not was hot. During year 1997-2001, the French JW website and booklets distributed to officials and french population have made a lot of publicity of their humanitarian works. In 2001, the french Supreme Court has proclamed a kind of recognised status to JW as a religion. Since, the Aidafrique Association has not made great humanitarion works as the construction of the hospital in Tanzania in 1998. In 2001, i have phoned to Nadine, the french nurse, to felicitate her to her appearence in the Awake magazine, she was not aware that i was an apostate at this time. She recognised that Aidafrique could not find to her works in Africa, and that she was obliged to work for association of "Babylon the Great" (these are her own words) when she regularly go to Africa. In Africa countries, their humanitarian works were a succesful attempt to be legalised like in Tanzania.
2/Their expansion in Africa: As explained above, the first step to grow in Africa, is to be recognised as helpfull organisation to the country, so you must be recognised as a legal entity like for example in Tanzania. The second point is less visible at first, but be perceptible if you have access to all the works that Aidafrique and Watchtower has made in Africa. In these countries, all is difficult: Civil War, deplaced people, disease and corruption, if you want to grow, the only way to be perceptible is by humanitarian works helped or facilitated by a still recognised entity as the UN and their agencies are, because this international organisation by UNHCR or UNDP has her own and operationnal local network and infrastructure. So even if you want only to build Kingdow Halls, and send you religious litterature, you will need a lot of money and time to achieve your goals without external help, more over , if you believe and want others to believe, that as an "international brotherhood" you must help and feed your hungry followers, the chaotique world of some African's countries is a major problem. Yes, Aidafrique has made and still make humanitarian works for others than JW, but it is not her primary goals. Even when you read some of official JW statements like their declaration concerning the Rwanda crisis, the non-jw helped by JW, could be surely resumed by non-JW families of JW or children of JW not counted as publishers in their statistics. I have been JW at this time, some Aidafrique send to Africa ware purely humanitarian but destined to JW only, more over, some were only send of used religious litterature or material to build kingdow Halls. So you have the point, perhaps, and practically, it is perhaps money-saving to make few humanitarian works to everybody so UN agency and African government will helped you by their infrastructure and authorization, to use after that all the authorization and infrastructure for your own particular interest.This is here that the IAPSO association is important, as a recognised humanitarian NGO, she can use all the UN facilities like limited price for vehicule by IAPSO or UNHCR planes, and used this facilities for few humanitarian works (destined principally for JW) and afterthat for his own religious expansion. We have now the clear understanding of the reasons of the association of Watchtower with different UN agencies: Respectability and money-saving facilities for her own expansion, even if she was obliged to ingrigiate with the devilish beastly representation, she has saved money in facilitating and consolidating the "proclamation of the Good News".
