There is a special place in my heart for Ray Franz. If there is a heaven, I sincerely hope that he goes there. And that he sees nothing but peace for the rest of his days as repayment for the peace that he has brought to ours.
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Evaluating Raymond Franz
by greendawn inwhat do you think of ray(mond) franz?
i have seen here some people critisise him as not being a really heartfelt opponent of the wts, but my view is that he was quite honest about his expressed motives against the cult.
with his revelations he gave a lot of momentum to the ex jw movement (the apostate organisation according to the jws) and offered valuable assistance to those seeking to shake off the ideological and social dependance on the oppressive cult.
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Welcome to the "Hotel California!"
by OUTLAW in.."jwd" will go down in "dub history"..yah,there were boards before it..but none like this!..jwd stands on the shoulders,of those before them..we are gratefull!
!..to all of you who fought to get us where we are today..thank-you!
!.....members come and go as life demands..but we always find our way back home..thank-you simon and angahrad...outlaw
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The best therapy for me ever. How I could have left the JWs without it I haven't a clue. It would definitely have been much tougher.
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Watchtower Dreams
by zgborn inas part of the therapy i have been back in lately, my therapist has asked me to remember my dreams so we can investigate them.. thrursday i dreamt that i was back in brooklyn, and walking around the factory area which was fairly dangerous when i lived there in the late 70's and early 80's, i felt unsafe.
the factory complex was being torn down by "brothers" using hand tools, hammer's and chisels and pieces of it were falling on the ground around me.
the reasons why this was happening were not obvious, but i had the feeling that they had other plans for the real estate.
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I have as well. Though more nightmare than anything. I try to journal them too. They seem to center around familiar faces. In one a couple of days ago I lingered around the Assembly Hall, which we used for meetings when our Hall was being renovated, and tried to look around. But then people saw me and as I started getting ambushed by elders I literally ran out. Go figure. I did recognize pieces of events which have happened in the past several weeks.
In one I actually woke up grieving, wondering why I had left so many friends behind. I wanted to go back. Of course as one would imagine that aftereffect of the dream didn't last very long.
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Newbie!!!
by KCM ini'm a newbie on here.
been away from the truth for nearly a year now and have just got my divorce from my violent ex who is stil serving in the congregation.
found things hard and still am, as the 'truth' is all i've ever known....so am on here for some well needed support, if thats ok?
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Welcome to the club.
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How clergy explain tragic deaths - how WTS mocks them, and reality check
by Inquisitor inin this week's sunday study, the wts again relish insulting the clergy with the following statement:.
paragraph 5) another reason why people think that god does not care about us is that religious leaders have made them feel that way.
what do clergymen often say when tragedy strikes?
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As with most things WT it would not surprise me if this so called typical clergy response is more myth than reality and is taken way out of context. I doubt that most priests would be so calloused. And WHICH clergyman was this? Name? Where was he quoted? There is no way to check. So we have to take their word. And we all know how much that's worth. Something similar happens when they say that psychiatrists recommend marital affairs. Again with no way to verify the comment. Further, even if their quote is accurate it is a logical fallacy to say that because one clergyman says this, that they ALL say this. It is a case of making a general conclusion from a specific comment, a general effect from a specific cause. More fallacious reasoning.
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QFR: "Never has a woman given Jehovah perfect obedience"
by Inquisitor inquestions from readers w07 jan 15 p.30.
in what sense did the congregator find only "one man out of a thousand" but not "a woman among all these"?
- ecclesiastes 7:28. the answer is written out in 3 paragraphs.. paragraph 1: placatory remarks to show that jehovah god is not chief misogynist.. paragraph 2 & 3:.
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truthsetsonefree
Chauvinistic bastards.
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My Journey-A Fledgling Relationship Goes Up In Smoke
by truthsetsonefree ina fledging relationship goes up in smoke.
it was 1973 and the wt was in full cult mode.
they wanted to purify the organization in preparation for the coming "great day of jehovah.
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Junction-Guy, I didn't realize that I hadn't mentioned that he got reinstated. He came back so that could have meaningful contact with his granddaughter, my daughter, and then immediately went inactive. But somewhere inside of him he still believes in the organization. It kind of funny that he wants to talk to me about meeting attendance. he hardly goes himself.
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That feeling that it could al be false how did you experience it?
by GBSJG inwhen i started researching i was still convinced that jws had the truth.
so i read some critical articles by ex-jws about certain teaching and i started to do some more research.. at this time i have successfully faded and no longer believe anymore.
but i can remember the moment when i first allowed the thought in my mind that it could all be false and not the truth.
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It actually came periodically for many years, but I would supress it. I don't recall when I just submitted to it, but it was probably when I read Crisi of Conscience and was contemplating reading In Search of Christian freedom. I almost needed to succumb to that feeling in order to feel comfortable picking up the book. By the time I was done with that book I was convinced that this was not "the truth."
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My Journey-A Fledgling Relationship Goes Up In Smoke
by truthsetsonefree ina fledging relationship goes up in smoke.
it was 1973 and the wt was in full cult mode.
they wanted to purify the organization in preparation for the coming "great day of jehovah.
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I can't imagine the drives with dramas and talks, oh wait, my parents played them for us too on trips.
What???? No way! My goodness, its amazing when I think I had such a weird experience that it couldn't have happened to anyone else.....
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My Journey-A Fledgling Relationship Goes Up In Smoke
by truthsetsonefree ina fledging relationship goes up in smoke.
it was 1973 and the wt was in full cult mode.
they wanted to purify the organization in preparation for the coming "great day of jehovah.
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Dismembered, you got it.
Junction-guy, since I've faded I have been marked. My brother ratted me out, but prematurely before he got sufficient proof. My Dad actually believes that the Borg have helped him, how I have no idea. He has resumed calling me though, which is a good sign. Of course what does his poor inactive soul want to discuss? Meeting attendance!!! Oh Vey!
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