hey guys its been a long time since i have posted but there was something i wanted to share that i had found and get peoples opinion.. in massachusetts south worcester county you can search real estate transactions from the past 40 years on a website called www.masslandrecords.com.. i was checking the history on the property at 700 worcester st southbridge , mass in worcester county which is the location of the kingdom hall.. it looks like from the records that the hall was first mortgaged back in the 60's by the wbts and then again in the early 80's by the wbts but then in the later 80's by mechanics bank which became bank boston.
that all makes sense.. the curious part is that in the 90's it looks like they expanded the property with the owners of the property being the southbridge kingdom hall corp but the mortgage of 60,000 was held by a member of the congregation.
i did a little more digging and it looks like this wealthy congregation member actually did a few mortgages over the years for other cong members for thier own houses.. has anyone ever heard of a cong member mortgaging a kingdom hall or other members?.
It makes sense though it's rare. In the Chatham Square project in NYC, an unbelieving husband outright donated a large sum to the Hall. Most dubs don't have that kind of money, but it would not be against the rules. Of course it probably wouldn't be recommended as if that member got df'd it would be a perceived conflict of interest on the congregation's part. How do you shun the person who holds your mortgage?!
Isaac
i have heard that "paradise" will be achieved gradually; that it will take all of the thousand years to reach that state of perfection.. .
now, while you may be convinced that it will take all that time to bring the earth back to it's pristine state....suppose it applies to humans as well?.
imagine this scenerio: wounds and broken bones heal slowly and gradually; your bags and sags are still there, but since you have seen results of other people, you hang on that the promise will be for you, too.
Actually it's amazing. When it comes to these topics they say speculation is wrong. But they speculate about every other damn thing! Sir82 is right though about instant healing of serious conditions. They point out that Jesus healed maimed people. If he did it back then he can do it in the "new order".
Isaac
labradors or poodles?
siamese or calicos?
tough choices had to be made.
Good point Panzer. If some demons could send a herd of swine over a precipice, why couldn't God send errant humans into whatever he wanted them to?
Isaac
well, any ideas, solutions, etc?.
how would you implement a "new system"?.
I think the story's metaphorical meaning, however, is that man needs diversity and dispersion to evolve fully and timely.
That is an excellent thought. I'd never considered that before.
On the thread topic, I think we may be seeing what would happen right now. What I mean is that the governments that we have now are the result of our tweaking, modifying and evolving our systems over millenia.
Isaac
i found this quoted by a few people on another thread and they attributed it to wt teachings.. i would like to know for sure....did wt actually teach this?.
or was some speaker making this up?.
if you are of african descent, and you heard this....how did it make you feel?.
Wow, what a crock of s**t in that 1927 Awake! Looks like Rutherford's writing. Can you imagine it? They actually were teaching the the Civil War and the abolition of slavery was the Devil's work! And they were supposedly already God's Channel! And these morons were writing from NYC. Henry Ward Beecher's church is near Bethel. Unbelievable! Thye can talk about how 100 years ago the Catholic Church believed this, yet they did as well and not a word. It makes me hate the GB.
Isaac
stories from my bethel pilgrimage.
i've wanted to put some of these memories into words for quite awhile, if only to help me remember my experiences.
many are positive, some are strange, and some are in between.
I've wanted to put some of these memories into words for quite awhile, if only to help me remember my experiences.
I thought I was a little crazy for doing this. Nice to know I'm in good company.
I seem to remember Jim Olson. About how old was he? I grew up in NYC and know a lot of bethelites. Richard Wheelock, also from the Factory, married my parents. I thought of him reading your story as he also died at bethel. His was a suicide.
Isaac
That last picture Unclebruce put up looks like Wille Nelson for God's sake! Anyway on a more serious note, maybe the blacks became servants of Jehovah, devoted themselves to prayer and turned white. Like that Mr. Draper the WT mentioned in the 1900's who was black and prayed to be white and became "fully nine-tenths white"!
Isaac
i found this quoted by a few people on another thread and they attributed it to wt teachings.. i would like to know for sure....did wt actually teach this?.
or was some speaker making this up?.
if you are of african descent, and you heard this....how did it make you feel?.
"now fully nine-tenths white"! I love it! When I first read this I was still a dub. What proof to me that they were NOT teaching the Bible when Christ supposedly showed up.
Isaac
the use of the word "soon" at the kh is used so much by jw's.
that it has almost turned into a "soon" doctrine.. i counted the word soon 15 times at the meeting yesterday during the.
public talk and wt.
Yup, they are soon to be the "soon" cult! They can't make dates anymore without looking stupid. So this is all they have left. You'd think dubs would wake up and see how ridiculous that soon business is. At least from your post it's obvious that you are.
Isaac
It actually felt like a weight was lifted when I realized that there really isn't any such thing. I think the whole "need the new system" thing just messes with one's mind, self-esteem, and leaves one in bondage to the WT future.
Isaac
