You're so right Balsam. They can't just leave well enough alone. The "Jewish publication" referred to just suggests something "abominable". WT has to do their 'here is what that term means in some other part of the Bible' and over analyze the thing. They make so many mistakes that way.
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INSIGHT Vol 1= "Noahs grandson raped him while noah was drunk." What??
by Witness 007 inreding insight volume on "canaan" p.399-400 today i come across this unkown watchtower theory...noahs grandson canaan sexually abused noah while he was drunk!
firstly can i say....yuck, why would he...noah was 580 years old!
gen 9;22 "the expression "saw his fathers nakedness" may indicate some abuse or perversion that involved canaan is a reasonable conclusion.
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INSIGHT Vol 1= "Noahs grandson raped him while noah was drunk." What??
by Witness 007 inreding insight volume on "canaan" p.399-400 today i come across this unkown watchtower theory...noahs grandson canaan sexually abused noah while he was drunk!
firstly can i say....yuck, why would he...noah was 580 years old!
gen 9;22 "the expression "saw his fathers nakedness" may indicate some abuse or perversion that involved canaan is a reasonable conclusion.
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it-1pp.399-400Canaan***
Following the incident regarding Noah’s drunkenness, Canaan came under Noah’s prophetic curse foretelling that Canaan would become the slave of both Shem and Japheth. (Ge 9:20-27) Since the record mentions only that “Ham the father of Canaan saw his father’s nakedness and went telling it to his two brothers outside,” the question arises as to why Canaan rather than Ham became the object of the curse. Commenting on Genesis 9:24, which states that when Noah awoke from his wine he “got to know what his youngestson had done to him,” a footnote in Rotherham’s translation says: “Undoubtedly Canaan, and not Ham: Shem and Japheth, for their piety, are blessed; Canaan, for some unnamed baseness, is cursed; Ham, for his neglect, is neglected.” Similarly, a Jewish publication, ThePentateuchandHaftorahs, suggests that the brief narrative “refers to some abominable deed in which Canaan seems to have been implicated.” (Edited by J. H. Hertz, London, 1972, p. 34) And, after noting that the Hebrew word translated “son” in verse 24 may mean “grandson,” this source states: “The reference is evidently to Canaan.” TheSoncinoChumash also points out that some believe Canaan “indulged a perverted lust upon [Noah],” and that the expression “youngest son” refers to Canaan, who was the youngest son of Ham.—Edited by A. Cohen, London, 1956, p. 47.
These views, of necessity, are conjectural since the Biblical record does not give any details as to Canaan’s implication in the offense against Noah. Yet some implication seems definitely intended by the fact that, just before relating the case of Noah’s drunkenness, Canaan is abruptly introduced into the account (Ge 9:18) and, in describing Ham’s actions, the record refers to him as “Ham the father of Canaan.” (Ge 9:22) That the expression “saw his father’s nakedness” may indicate some abuse or perversion that involved Canaan, is a reasonable conclusion. For in most instances incest or other sexual sins are meant when the Bible speaks of ‘laying bare’ or ‘seeing the nakedness’ of another. (Le 18:6-19; 20:17) So, it is possible that Canaan had committed or attempted to commit some abuse on the unconscious Noah and that Ham, though having knowledge of this, failed either to prevent it or to take disciplinary action against the offender, and compounded the wrong by making known to his brothers Noah’s disgrace.
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Oh well another cult uses it....
by mouthy inhttp://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/523105.html?nav=5021.
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truthsetsonefree
Funny how many Halls are closing. So many JW and WT are being sold. One can only hope....
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The young ones are leaving in droves!!!
by 1914BS ini hear that many congos are loosing all their young dubs and now only very old dubs are left.
it seems the jws religion is dying out because there are no youngins to replace the aging ms/elder/cos .
the young dubs are very internet savy and would rather play warcraft than go out in the field circus.. i remember a wt study article a couple of years ago that was entitled" when a young person rebels" or something like that - anyone know that mag?.
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Them losing young people is definitely complicated. Everything mentioned here factors in. Something else is the quality of dub is not what it once was. Those young people who stay in aren't necessarily bringing in converts. Many of them are becoming the PT dubs just mentioned. The tree may still be standing but the interior is rotting.
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New Songbook
by snowbird ini hope this one will be dropped: jehovah our father in heaven; oh, this is a most sacred night; twas nisan 14 when your glory was seen .... i hated that song!.
sylvia.
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dobbie, I liked many of them too. I didn't throw out my cds for that reason. Of course this is ALL I was allowed to hear as a kid so there a lot of memories tied to them.
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I want to thank you
by Lady Lee infew of my threads get to 3 pages of responses and i suspect that i am the one who pushes it by responding to everyone.
who posts.. but i know people read my posts.. there have certainly been times when i needed the support and got it.
but those times are fewer now.. sometimes i feel like i am repeating myself and i probably am.
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Your posts are exactly what this board needs. We need analytical discussion and reminder of the psychology behind this nonsense the WT teaches. It helps us to talk back rationally to it as well. Keep on posting.
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JWs and DC discussed on "The View"
by cabasilas ini don't know if this has been mentioned here yet.
i apologize if it has but i haven't seen it here.. jws and the latest district convention ("keep on the watch") was recently mentioned on "the view.
" one of the commentators is a former jw:.
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Actually it's nice to see someone who was a JW accurately describe this foolishness, yet be able to joke about it too. Let the WT publicize this nonsense. It will just make them look crazier with each passing PR campaign. They have said for years that they would step up the "warning" part of their preaching work. I hope this is it.
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What UNUSUAL MARRIAGES have you seen among JW's?
by BonaFide inthese are couples that i know personally.. a brother i know married a sister 36 years older than him.
he was 35, she was 71. they are still married 5 years later.
they do not get along, and they make that known to the entire hall.. a brother that has been married twice and is 50 years old recently married a 19-year old.
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I can think of two. In the first case a brother traveled across several states to marry a girl 15 years younger. It a real mismatch too. But they stay together for "Jehovah" though she nearly committed adultery a few years back.
The second is a young brother who married a girl who was two years OLDER than his mother. We would often joke that he didn't want a wife but a Mom. At the time he was 21.
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"I'm Perfect, You're Doomed" discussion...
by Tuesday inhas anyone read this book?.
i figured i had to comment because everyone was telling me oh tim, youre going to love this book.
she went to the same assemblies as you, she was raised in a similar household, she did poetry slams as well.
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There is no question that she fell for a lot of harmful vices that the dubs try to keep people away from. Perhaps if she could have gotten the sense of what the dubs were saying in these areas, her life at that time may have been different. But it and she didn't. And that's the point. This is an account of HER life growing up as a dub. It's not good or bad, it just is. And it makes the point that WT is not the perfect organization it pretends to be. It is not as successful as it thinks in helping people out of difficulties. Many times it causes these difficulties. That being said, different people will react differently to it. That's why a wide variety of books and materials are needed so that different sorts of people can relate to leaving the JW's and perhaps leave themselves. Or if they have left, can find comfort in that they are not alone in their feelings and experiences.
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How has Life Been Going For You ? Wanna Talk about It ?
by flipper inare you hanging in there with life and moving on- post witness ?
i'm sure most are staying busy with work- or staying busy looking for work with this economy.
are you moving on and enjoying life in your leisure time ?
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Absolutely fantastic. Enjoying work, reenrolled in school for the Fall, getting into local politics, fathering my daughter, hoping to get more into my hobbies by year's end, only thing missing is a good relationship with a lovely lady.
Isaac