I really can relate to a lot of what you said. Like about critical thinking skills not being taught so much in K-12, df'ing, 1914, college, double standards on weddings and "worldly" relations, and being born into the org. Many of these things always puzzled me and I truly feel that I would never have fallen for a group like this on my own. I was screwed by birth and had to find my way out. Good luck to you on doing the same.
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New Here - Hi All
by findingme92 ini'm new to this forum and look forward to getting to know you guys.. just a short summary about me, i was raised a jw, baptized at 15, married at 25, moved a few states away, started fading away about a year and a half ago.
started doing some searching about some long-standing doubts and completely sure now that this isnt the truth.
being out is still new and very difficult, but i'm making strides every day.. as i said, i look forward to getting to know you all..
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The issues are probably complex, dealing with who knows what. But I will say it felt good to hear that the Seals took these guys out and the hostage was rescued.
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We're not a cult because we don't have communes
by carla inhave you ever heard a dub say that they are not a cult because they don't live in a commune?
(aside from all the other reasons they are a cult- see other thread about wt mind control) my question is, isn't bethel rather like a commune?
and what about the wt farms?.
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Lady Lee, I had the same problems thinking of the WT as a cult for a while. It wasn't till I realized that the control doesn't have to be physical (as in a commune) that it became clear. In many ways I think the mental bondage is way more powerful.
However, it is probably worth restating that WT does have something similar to communes as well. The Bethel's and branch offices, with members taking vows of poverty, and their inability to make their own money coupled with the tiny allowance they get functions similarly. One difference is the fact that Bethelites can get "green handshakes" and money from family if they have it that way.
So in the end it comes down to the mental control which to me is analogous to the commune which clinches them in my mind as a cult.
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NARKISSOS need your input on Rev. 5:10
by IronClaw inmy wife just gave me notes that she took at this past memorial.
in her notes the speaker referring to the 144,000 and what they will be doing uses rev.5:10 as saying they will rule "over" the earth.
when reading this scripture in my tyndale bible it reads as "on" the earth.
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It seems to me that this is another case of people following those who really are confused themselves. Of following those who sound educated but once you dig deeper it becomes apparent that they are confused themselves. The Society's misconstruing the Greek on the basis of the English is a mistake one would expect from someone who doesn't have a complete grasp of the issues, or someone who cares less about such a grasp and more about upholding their belief system. Interestingly, the latter is something the WT regularly accuses other religions of doing. Of course in the end it really doesn't matter since the Bible is a hodgepodge of ideas written by many individuals and to extract a cohesive belief system out of it is problematic at best.
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WHY can't Jehovah "REINSTATE" Satan?
by african GB Member inand we can get on with our lives!
!......what is he "trying" to prove?
and for god's sakes,(pun intended)how long is this gonna take???.
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Well I'll be damned, 177,000 years?! Now that's a twist. I like the one that Jehovah killed Jesus. Why even Isaiah says it if you believe the prophetic interpretation. You know, where Isaiah says that "Jehovah took delight in crushing him, he made him sick"? Jehovah, if he exists has a lot of crap to answer for.
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New Here - Hi All
by findingme92 ini'm new to this forum and look forward to getting to know you guys.. just a short summary about me, i was raised a jw, baptized at 15, married at 25, moved a few states away, started fading away about a year and a half ago.
started doing some searching about some long-standing doubts and completely sure now that this isnt the truth.
being out is still new and very difficult, but i'm making strides every day.. as i said, i look forward to getting to know you all..
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Welcome from Queens New York City. Glad to hear your mate is so liberal. That's kind of how my ex is, which helps with our daughter.
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WHY can't Jehovah "REINSTATE" Satan?
by african GB Member inand we can get on with our lives!
!......what is he "trying" to prove?
and for god's sakes,(pun intended)how long is this gonna take???.
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For that matter why not forgive man's future sins outright and be done with the whole thing?
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C.T. Russell- yet another amazing prediction
by JimmyPage inmy brother-in-law has been staying with me all week and his strange views of life have been driving me crazy.
just yesterday he informed me that c.t.
russell predicted global warming.
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Actually taking passages like "there will be grain on the tops of the mountains" literally would necessitate some kind of warming. In fact that helped me appreciate how screwed up WT teachings are. Imagine the polar ice caps melting. We'd be in a world of hurtin'. These comments don't make ol' Charlie the FDS or anything else divine. Otherwise scientists would be the Gods themselves.
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Job: Jehovah's Deal with the Devil
by cameo-d inif the scriptures in the book of enoch has enough validity to be mentioned in jude..... the wager between jehovah and the debbil, concerning the demise of job, could never have happened.. according to enoch...jehovah and satan were not even on speaking terms during that time.. this quote from enoch 13 takes place shortly after "the fall".. .
1 and enoch went and said: oazazel, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth.
2 against thee to put thee in bonds: and thou shalt not have toleration nor request granted to thee, because of the unrighteousness which thou hast taught, and because of all the works of godlessness.
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Interesting. Maybe those hallucinating ancients were all confused.
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Granddaughter: What difference does it make?
by Bonnie_Clyde inmy granddaughter's friend has a bible story book from her church, and the two girls read the story about jesus' last supper and how jesus died on the cross.
when granddaughter mentioned to her (other) grandmother that she had been reading this book, grandma quickly explained that jesus didn't die on a cross but on a torture stake.
granddaughter went to her mother (my daughter-in-law), and she pulled out the wt bible stories book and together they compared it with the book that my granddaughter's friend had shared.
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Incredible. Out of the mouth of children! I wonder what my daughter thinks of this. She may not even know what the issue is.