Posts by ThomasCovenant

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Why do JWs take vacations....?

by SeymourButts in

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why do loyal jws take sight-seeing vacations?

if they will live forever on a paradise earth, why do they spend time seeing the wonders of the world and the beauty of it all while on a vacation from their secular employment?

they will have the rest of eternity to seek out the wonders of this world, will they not?

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Unless there has been new shite (light) on this then I would put it to the Brothers that the following counsel still applies:

Watchtower 1961 June 15th pages 368-374 Progreesing Towards Maturity

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Another way to progress toward maturity is to develop a proper mental attitude. Paul had the right attitude as expressed at Philippians 3:14, 15: "I am pursuing down toward the goal for the prize of the calling above and which God extends in Christ Jesus. Let us, then, as many of us as are mature, be of this mental attitude; and if you are mentally inclined otherwise in any respect, God will reveal the above attitude to you."

Can you honestly say that you are pursuing the goal of everlasting life? Or are you pursuing the things of the old-world society? (1 John 2:16) What is your immediate goal? To buy a new automobile, or to buy out opportunities to serve Jehovah? (Eph. 5:16)

To spend money on an expensive vacation, seeing the sights of the dying old world, or to become a vacation pioneer, locating new friends, yes, everlasting acquaintances to join with you in the New World society? To retire and settle down in a place where there is a ratio of one witness of Jehovah to less than one thousand of the population, or to serve where the need for Kingdom witnesses is really great? If you are really pursuing everlasting life, then your record of field ministry should indicate that. Do you spend at least ten hours each month preaching and teaching the Bible truth to others? Can you imagine Paul being contented with less than ten hours a month even when he found it necessary to work full time making tents? What do you suppose he was doing on weekends, evenings? Studying God’s Word, doing God’s work, or attending a contest between the gladiators in the local coliseum, saying he had no time for the ministry?—Acts 18:3, 4.

I think that's fairly clear cut Brothers so no more vacations and no more retiring to nicer places.

This is happening more and more in the UK at least and this article from 1961 is one I'm going to bring up to my parents when I speak to them about why so many Brothers are retiring to warmer climates.

Thomas Covenant

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Is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?

by ThomasCovenant in

apologies if you all have read this before.. watchtower 1952 15th april pages 254-256. it is the woman that is commanded to show respect and recognition of the mans position of headship, and women who rebel at it are not so much rebelling against men as they are against god.gen.

3:16; 1 cor.

11:2-10; eph.

ThomasCovenant

Apologies if you all have read this before.

Watchtower 1952 15th April pages 254-256

It is the woman that is commanded to show respect and recognition of the man’s position of headship, and women who rebel at it are not so much rebelling against men as they are against God.—Gen. 3:16; 1 Cor. 11:2-10; Eph. 5:33.

But in his world Satan has reversed matters. Starting in Eden, he has pushed the woman ahead of the man, exalted her above man and used her to bring about the downfall of men dedicated to Jehovah. He has flouted God by reversing the position of the sexes. But he is very subtle about it, camouflaging his work under the guise of harmless custom. Many customs are harmless, but when they contradict a theocratic principle Satan is behind it to discredit God. He is a past master at such deception. (2 Cor. 11:14) In this particular matter of hat-tipping he appeals to the vanity of women and the so-called gentlemanly qualities of men, and any man who does not comply with the subtle custom is considered crude and discourteous, disrespectful of womanhood. So out of a fear of what others may think the majority fall into conformity

When a customary show of respect is performed between men as well as between man and woman, when it does not set the woman apart for special honor because of her sex, then it does not seem Scripturally objectionable. Hat removal would be too inconvenient for the woman? Then why is it the man that is supposed to rise when a woman enters a room or comes to or leaves the table, and never the woman? Is it too inconvenient again? Is she pinned to the chair, as the hat is pinned to her head? What custom does exist whereby women show respect to men? The absence of any is not just by chance, but is by satanic design to untheocratically elevate the woman above the man. In many ways Satan has taken the woman from the position assigned her by God, taken her from the home and its duties and put her into politics and commerce and religious leadership, and thereby caused much of the modern breakdown on the family front.—Heb. 13:4; Rev. 2:20.

The surface courtesies that are flattering to human vanity are not what real Christian women want; instead they cherish the respect and love of one Christian toward another, and which are shown in weightier ways than the untheocratic customs of Satan’s lustful world. Both men and women should stay in the place God assigned them, in human relationships and divine worship. Only such as are content with these assigned places will live in the new world. Open or subtly disguised creature worship and exaltation will have no place there. It has no place with true Christians now.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Any Pro JW forums?

by ThomasCovenant in

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could someone point out if there are any pro jw discussion forums available.

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thomas covenant.

ThomasCovenant

Thanks

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Any Pro JW forums?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

could someone point out if there are any pro jw discussion forums available.

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thomas covenant.

ThomasCovenant

Could someone point out if there are any pro JW discussion forums available.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Watchtower Hate

by ThomasCovenant in

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reading through a thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/133948/1.ashx apoint being discussed was whether the wt has told people to hate others.

i thought these quotes may be of value.. wt 1961 15th july page 420 .

when a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Reading through a thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/133948/1.ashx apoint being discussed was whether the WT has told people to hate others. I thought these quotes may be of value.

WT 1961 15th July page 420

When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked

Watchtower 1952 1st October page 599

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Haters of God and his people are to be hated, but this does not mean that we will take any opportunity of bringing physical hurt to them in a spirit of malice or spite, for both malice and spite belong to the Devil, whereas pure hatred does not. We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest. Surely any haters of God are not fit to live on his beautiful earth. The earth will be rid of the wicked and we shall not need to lift a finger to cause physical harm to come to them, for God will attend to that, but we must have a proper perspective of these enemies.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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An "Apostate" partakes at the JWs Memorial

by dedpoet in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccote1skw8a.

this is a video sent to me by brenda lee, the author of "out of the cocoon",.

of her partaking of the emblems at the jw memorial last month.

ThomasCovenant

Does anyone know if Brenda posts here?

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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ALERT: All Child Abuse Lawsuits have been settled. Millions cashed out???

by What-A-Coincidence in

re: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/116108/1.ashx.

a bethel insider in the know told me that all of the child abuse lawsuits where the watchtower bible and tract society was one of the defendants were settled back in the beginning of this year.

i questioned it and called napa myself and they were absolutely settled back then.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

When I hear of cases when people settle out of court my initial reaction is 'Why?'

Surely you would think that someone just one would say

'I don't care about the money I just want to hear this in an open court and have the publicity and justice'.

But, I'm not sitting in their shoes and I'm not privy to all the circumstances and therefore I have to concede that the advice given is in the best interests of the abused.

As an outsider I would have loved this to go to court with all the damning publicity it would entail. But that's just it, I'm an outsider, it's not my life that's been abused.

Thomas Covenant

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ALERT: All Child Abuse Lawsuits have been settled. Millions cashed out???

by What-A-Coincidence in

re: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/116108/1.ashx.

a bethel insider in the know told me that all of the child abuse lawsuits where the watchtower bible and tract society was one of the defendants were settled back in the beginning of this year.

i questioned it and called napa myself and they were absolutely settled back then.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

However, now the more we think about it, when the news of the settlement begins to move through the congregations,

How will they ever find out though?

Thomas Covenant

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-6-07 WT Review (Resist Demons)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 05-06-07 wt study (march 15, 007, pages 26-30)(resist demons).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

ThomasCovenant

No need to apologise. I appreciate the effort you make every time thank you very much.

Thomas Covenant

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What does the WTS teach about the generation of 1914?

by bob1999 in

this is from the jehovah's witnesses official web site.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/lmn/article_11.htm .

"some, at least, of the generation that saw the "beginning of pangs of distress" in 1914 will live to see paradise restored on earth.

ThomasCovenant

Click the search box on their site and type in '1914 generation'