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  Do you think maybe Jehovah was looking after this woman?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  she was on a train in september 1938, bound for a ferry to england, when it was stopped at a belgian border station.

  an announcement was made over the loudspeaker that all jews should disembark.. with a heavy heart, natalie reached for her small suitcase.

  but what she did not reckon on was a group of nuns, in whose carriage she was sitting.. .

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  Me too. However I thought this only happened to God's true people. The current ones that is, not his first bunch.

  Swap 'Jew' for 'Witness' and this would be on the Arse mbly rounds.
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  Do you think maybe Jehovah was looking after this woman?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  she was on a train in september 1938, bound for a ferry to england, when it was stopped at a belgian border station.

  an announcement was made over the loudspeaker that all jews should disembark.. with a heavy heart, natalie reached for her small suitcase.

  but what she did not reckon on was a group of nuns, in whose carriage she was sitting.. .

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  She was on a train in September 1938, bound for a ferry to England, when it was stopped at a Belgian border station. An announcement was made over the loudspeaker that all Jews should disembark.

  With a heavy heart, Natalie reached for her small suitcase. But what she did not reckon on was a group of nuns, in whose carriage she was sitting.

  Natalie Huss-Smickler's first servant job saw her work 15-hour days, with only half a day off a week
  "The nun next to me put her arm round me and said, 'Sit down. You're not going out,'" Natalie says. "I said 'I'm Jewish.' The nun said, 'You're one of us. Sit down,' and she pressed me down."

  So the young Jewish girl sat with the Catholic nuns, nervously awaiting her fate as Jewish men, women and children poured off the train and were lined up on the station platform, bound for concentration camps.

  What happened next became an unforgettable moment in Natalie's life.

  "There came an inspection. A big SS man looked into the window at me and my heart was in my knees. He saw me with the nuns, gave me a nice smile, winked and walked on. I was saved. I was probably the only Jew to get through."

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16942741
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  If one were to shun and ignore Witnesses does that make one just as bad as them?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  for all the criticism of jehovah's witnesses' shunning policy, if one (an ex jw) were to deliberately avoid contact with witnesses and, dare i say, shun them, does that mean that one is just as bad?.

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  For all the criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses' shunning policy, if one (an ex JW) were to deliberately avoid contact with Witnesses and, dare I say, shun them, does that mean that one is just as bad?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
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  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Am I correct in saying that animals did not suffer prior to the year 2370BC? They simply died of old age? There was no predatory activity before that date was there?

  Or am I a lunatic?
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  Estimated world population at the death of Adam

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
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  2,800,000 according to lambert dolphin (physicist, theologin.

  and senior creationist).

  he base that figure that adam lived.

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  World population in 2370 BC = 8
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  Text message from a bro at the hall I got this morning as I woke

  by shakyground in

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  we miss you, hope to see you soon.

  your dad will be wondering where you are at the resurrection.

  love, bro.

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  ''Your dad will be wondering where you are at the resurrection''

  No he won't. Maybe for a while but eventually he will completely forget you even existed or that he even had such a child. That way he can be happy in Paradise. If he ever remembered that he once had a child that didn't ''make it'' that would make him sad and as there won't be any sadness in the ''New System'' that particular memory will have to be completely erased. Lovely.
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  Ding dong with 4 JWs this morning

  by Qcmbr in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the jws were out in our area this morning and i bolted downstairs before my wife could waive them away as she normally does.. two ladies (mum and 24 year old daughter i later found out) initially stopped as i opened with a comment about how i couldn't trust a thing they say because they are taught to practice theocratic warfare.. the mother blinked and asked me what that was ( so it began ) i informed them both that they are allowed to lie or at least be evasive with the truth with worldy people.

  she countered that they are taught not to lie so i again asked her if she knew what theocratic warfare meant and she again said no (first of my many - 'please go look that up' statements .).

  i then moved onto the idea that they couldn't think independently outside the organisation due to fear of being disfellowshipped and shunned.

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  Tornapart.

  Don't get me wrong. It took me a few years to eventually get out. Assuming you've been reading here a while you'll see that most go for the 'slow fade' for the sake of family and friends.

  At first, when I was reading the old Society literature, the Reasoning book (lol what a beaut that book is) jwfacts.com, jwfiles.com, the old (now replaced) watchtower quotes site and wikipedia, then Crisis of Conscience, I felt incredible anger. This lasted for years. I eventually stopped my association overnight. I couldn't look my children or myself in the eye. Now I can.

  I can't offer any advice but hopefully others will see this thread and your posts and give some thoughts. It's still early US time.
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  Ding dong with 4 JWs this morning

  by Qcmbr in

  1. jw
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  the jws were out in our area this morning and i bolted downstairs before my wife could waive them away as she normally does.. two ladies (mum and 24 year old daughter i later found out) initially stopped as i opened with a comment about how i couldn't trust a thing they say because they are taught to practice theocratic warfare.. the mother blinked and asked me what that was ( so it began ) i informed them both that they are allowed to lie or at least be evasive with the truth with worldy people.

  she countered that they are taught not to lie so i again asked her if she knew what theocratic warfare meant and she again said no (first of my many - 'please go look that up' statements .).

  i then moved onto the idea that they couldn't think independently outside the organisation due to fear of being disfellowshipped and shunned.

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  Hello Tornapart and thanks for joining the forum and commenting.

  You raised some very interesting points.

  You said ''You cannot tear someone's beliefs apart on the doorstep''. And yet that is the most basic operating system of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  My mother (still a Witnesss) said to me ''why don't you just let us be with our religious beliefs?'' I said ''yes that's fine, but why don't you do the same to the people you door knock?'' Hypocrisy. Nothing else.

  You said ''Did you get it all of your chest?'' Living a lie is a great burden so yes for me it felt great to get it off my chest.

  You said ''What was your motive behind this?'' I can't speak for Qcmbr but for me it would be a valid response to someone who is coming to my door trying to tell me how I'm wrong and they are right.

  You said ''Did it make you feel good?'' Again speaking for myself the answer would be 'yes'.

  There is no one correct way because we are all different.

  Thanks again and welcome, please keep asking and commenting.
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  How do you explain JW family members to an Non-JW Child?

  by JAG913 in

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  2. friends

  i noticed a post or comment on here awhile ago explaining how someone explained their jw family members to their child (a non-jw).

  we both really liked what was said, but can't find it again for the life of us!.

  a brief explanation:our child's grandmother and extended family (aunts, uncles, etc.

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  bttt for a friend who asked this question,

  specifically how to explain to a child why their grandparents don't celebrate birthdays and Xmas.
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  Comparing time spent door to door preaching versus time spent door to door window cleaning

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  i got to thinking this yesterday.

  in the past i have done a fair bit of window cleaning like many a jw.

  one motto that we (fellow jw window cleaners) used to say was ''time is money''.. occasionally, to help with pricing and efficiency we used to count and record how long each house would take.

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  I got to thinking this yesterday.

  In the past I have done a fair bit of window cleaning like many a JW. One motto that we (fellow JW window cleaners) used to say was ''time is money''.

  Occasionally, to help with pricing and efficiency we used to count and record how long each house would take. As each house was completed we used to think we have just earned x amount an hour. But at the end of the day we would total up and then work out our hourly rate and it was always less than we thought the hourly rate was working out at. Of course this was because on average about 10 per cent of the day was spent travelling between houses rather than actually cleaning them. This was dead time.

  Then I got to thinking that in the case of door to door preaching as enjoyed by JW's it is the other way around. At least 90 per cent of the time that is counted on their time reports is spent travelling between houses rather than actually talking to the householder.

  What if they only counted time spent actually 'witnessing' rather than dawdling from door to door.