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  A question, most probably for Christians, regarding what difference Jesus' existence has made.

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  i was wondering what actually has changed for the human race since jesus was born, lived and died on earth specifically with regard to those who were living prior to his earthly existence as opposed to after.

  would it have made any difference if he had arrived in 3975 bc, or even if he hadn't yet arrived and was due to be born say in 2150 ad?.

  i get the impression that christians are very grateful that jesus came and 'died for our sins' but what difference does it make if he wasn't even due yet?

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  ThomasCovenant

  Thanks for the replies. I'm still a little confused though.

  According to Christian belief, all mankind has benefitted equally since Jesus' death.

  I assume that means all, as in, those who were dead before he came as well as all the people yet to be born.

  I hope I'm making myself clear here.

  If, therefore, those who were dead already have equally benefitted, then it doesn't seem to make any difference if he died in 33 AD or 3000 AD.

  If people who were born after his death have enjoyed a better life because of his death then would it not have been better for him to have died in 4000 BC?

  So far man has lived for (according to JW theology) just over 6000 years. 4000 were pre Christ and 2000 post. Plus whatever is to come in the future.

  Just my way of looking at things. I assume I'm missing something.
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  A question, most probably for Christians, regarding what difference Jesus' existence has made.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering what actually has changed for the human race since jesus was born, lived and died on earth specifically with regard to those who were living prior to his earthly existence as opposed to after.

  would it have made any difference if he had arrived in 3975 bc, or even if he hadn't yet arrived and was due to be born say in 2150 ad?.

  i get the impression that christians are very grateful that jesus came and 'died for our sins' but what difference does it make if he wasn't even due yet?

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  ThomasCovenant

  Hi,

  I was wondering what actually has changed for the human race since Jesus was born, lived and died on earth specifically with regard to those who were living prior to his earthly existence as opposed to after.

  Would it have made any difference if he had arrived in 3975 BC, or even if he hadn't yet arrived and was due to be born say in 2150 AD?

  I get the impression that Christians are very grateful that Jesus came and 'died for our sins' but what difference does it make if he wasn't even due yet? How is someone's earthly or heavenly (or helly) life changed? Are people born after 35 AD better off than those born before 3 BC?

  PS I am an atheist but was hoping some comments might help for me to appreciate an alternative viewpoint. I am not looking to ridicule.
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  Oath of Allegiance and Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  oath of allegiance and jehovah's witnesses.

  in preparation for additional material planned for my blog, today i loaded onto the front page the 2008 article on national oaths of allegiance and jehovahs witnesses.

  this edition has a slight revision in two footnotes that had minor typographical errors.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Thank you very much for this. I find it almost, but not quite, uneffingbelievable.
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  Oath of Allegiance -- You will want to read this

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  oath of allegiance.

  a story that needs telling, in pictures: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2010/05/oath-of-allegiance.html .

  marvin shilmer.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Thank you
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  JWs and National Oaths of Allegiance Expose' by Marvin Shilmer-Please Read

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. scandals

  the following three paragraphs are part of a startling new essay written by a well-respected poster on jwd.

  he spent much time and money to gather proof of duplicity on the part of watch tower leaders.

  marvin shilmer (not his real name) has given permission for me to put his entire essay on my website, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Thank you
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  1943-44 — Milton Henschel Historical Documents

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  1943-44 milton henschel historical documents.

  today i uploaded some historical documents that researchers might find helpful.

  these documents show milton henschel at 23 years of age.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Thank you for your research and postings.

  Do all American's have to sign the same oath today to get a passport?
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  Here i am....

  by makersmark in

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  here i am - born in truth, hard-core spiritual everything all my life, early reg.pioneer, ms, elder, assembly parts, tour at bethel, etc, married now...... i'm trying to examine jw teachings a little closer...... i've spent the last two weeks reading many many posts, info , references on where ex-jw's are coming from.

  i'm kind of concerned about a few things lately..... honestly - some points make sense to me - some don't - here are my general thoughts:.

  -wt getting un membership for access to library - doesnt bother me - some passports and other governement documents have similar forms and requirements..... -blood issue - some counterpoints to the jw 'rules' makes sense (original intent of scripture is unbled animals, white blood cells similar in mothers milk) etc -however a lot of 'apostate' reasonings and proof are inaccurate.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Hello Makersmark

  Thanks for joining and contributing.

  Do you believe that the 'faithful and discreet slave' aka the Governing Body are God's sole appointed channel of truth on earth today?

  If YES, then you have to accept everything they tell you to accept. End of. Do not pass go.

  If NO, then they are no different to the plumber who lives opposite me. Or my dentist. Or my taxi driver.

  If YES, then all the people who have died because of the blood and organ issue will be resurrected

  If NO, then they, and indirectly you, are part of the reason they died.

  The fact that you are here tells me you believe NO.

  To say it out loud, NO, is difficult to do.
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  Watchtower Funeral Talk Outline.

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  does anyone know if the funeral talk outline has been changed from the one shown on doc bob's site (s-3 11/90).

  http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=content&pa=showpage&pid=20.

  thomas covenant.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Looks like Doc Bob's site got updated.

  Hopefully this works

  http://www.docbob.org/wordpress/?p=70
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  Last US veteran from WW 1 has died. Frank Buckles, 110

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-buckles-20110228,0,405865.story .

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  ThomasCovenant

  http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-buckles-20110228,0,405865.story
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  Do you think a lot of JWs are ashamed of their beliefs?

  by I quit! in

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  the reason i asked this is because i'm going to the funeral of a man who wasn't a jw.

  my mother-in-law has lived in the same neighborhood as him for years and knows his wife.

  i asked her if she was going attend the funeral service.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I did my level best to always avoid discussing anything slightly religious just in case any one ever said ' hey, aren't you a jova witness?'

  Totally embarrassed in school and work. Not ashamed, just embarrassed to be known as, what I would call, a religious nutter.