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  WOL tightened security

  by Moxy in

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  all new registrants must be referals now.

  and the contemplations forum where the only really interesting stuff ever is (e.g.

  the 'free to remarry' thread) is being made private.

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  chester

  Yes,

  I KNOW they are out there and I KNOW who many of them are too.

  It is really sad that things are soooooo secret in the JW world.

  MUST BE A CULT
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  poll? is the u.n./wtbts issue your last straw?

  by zev in

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  is it your last straw?.

  its my last straw.

  reading that letter from the u.n. has sealed it for me.

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  chester

  Hi Zev,

  As simple as it may seem, my last straw was the Nov 99 KM where they went to great lengths about the dangers of the internet. Then finding out "WHY" they were so afraid of us going on the internet. The things I was able to learn about them on the internet was the last straw for me.

  That made me realize that they really "ARE" a cult.

  Zev, I hope everything is going well with you and I also want to acknowledge that I realize that you were one of the first to bring this issue to the fore front.

  Thanks for all your work in doing that.

  Thanks also to Hawk, Kent, Randy, Mommy, Bible examiner and all of the others who worked so hard on this issue. I know I have probably left someone out. Many thanks to all of you.

  Chester
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  Is it LOVING to try and get JWs out?

  by Sirona_Celtic in

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  first of all, let me make it clear that i have left the wts, and i don't agree with its teachings (mostly, the organisation presented as "gods prophet").. i have a few family members who are jws.

  does everyone here think it is loving of us to tell them all the things that the wts have done wrong?

  once they realise that the wts is corrupt, they experience.

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  chester

  I think Amazing has said it all but I would like to add my two cents.

  I really feel sorry for the young kids who are being brought up to believe that the Governing Body speaks for God. The kids who are being taught that this religion is the only channel to God and that if a person is not a baptised Jehovah's Witness they will be destroyed.

  I personally think that is the saddest part of all. Their lives are destroyed before they even get started by believing that stuff.
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  Here is some information that has been circulating among JW's.
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  Bro. xxxx (elder and ex-Bethelite in my congregation) made some
  interesting remarks after the scheduled meetings. He's received several emails regarding the annual meeting.

  The following thoughts were expressed:

  The gap between the world and us is becoming ever clearer. We need to make sure that we're developing the qualities and faith now, so that we can remain steadfast and unmovable. Our neutrality will be tested like never before.

  We need to make sure our children understand neutrality. If they don't, we need to teach them and realize what tests they are facing in school and will face in the future.

  The world scene is changing and changes can come literally overnight.

  Then he relayed the following experience of a Christian family in New York:
  A family of four went out to dinner last week. As they were eating, a
  gentlemen began to sing a patriotic song, then the whole restaurant began to sing, then the whole restaurant stood up. The witness family remain seated and didn't stand. The restaurant patrons and restaurant workers begin to ridicule the family and verbally abuse the family. They were verbally abused so much that they had to leave and didn't finish their dinner. We're thankful that this family remained faithful.

  Things can literally change in an instance and we need to make sure that we have the firm resolve to serve Jehovah, no matter what.
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  Children are being taught these things and all the while the WT is/was in bed with the UN.

  What Hypocrites they are!!!!
  
  Chester
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  You are harming loyal JW

  by beroea in

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  you are harming loyal jw.

  i have been taken a closer look at many of the posters here on this board.

  most of you are very critic about the jw and special about doctrines.

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  chester

  Hi Beroea,

  It is great to see you posting again.
  I have missed seeing you here.
  How have you and the family been doing?

  Give us an update.

  Best regards
  Chester
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  In the beginning......

  by BlackMan4Life in

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  my life in the jehovahs witness organization.

  by lawrence l. henderson.

  the genesis.

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  chester

  Blackman,

  I really did enjoy your story. I read it to my wife this morning at breakfast. She also said that everything you said about the WTS is true.

  Since she knows it is all true I just can't understand why she refuses to leave. I think maybe it is just a matter of time. She has started to listen to the comments that are being written in this forum. She won't read it for herself but she has reached the point where she will listen to what I have to say.

  Best regards
  Chester
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  Hard Hailstone Message YEA RIGHT

  by JT in

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  *** w84 3/15 19 god's united "mighty nation" to fill the earth ***.

  17 today the soft waters of truth are being taken to the people to encourage them to turn to jehovah.

  but the day soon will come when the message will turn hard.

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  chester

  JT,

  I am sitting here with my laptop. Just read your post to my wife.

  It appears to have had no affect. She does not want to hear it.

  Chester
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  Request for Oct 1, 1995 WT Mag on UN

  by hawkaw in

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  dungbeetle provided this comment in another post:.

  in 1995, the jehovahs witnesses stated that they viewed the united nations the same as any other governmental body of the world.

  (wt 10/1/95).

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  *** w95 10/1 5-7 A World Without War-When? ***
  A World Without War-When?
  THE Charter of the United Nations went into effect on October 24, 1945. It is the most comprehensive strategy for world peace ever to be designed by humans. With its original 51 member States, the United Nations became the largest international organization in the history of the world. Also, for the first time ever, an international organization would have access to an army to enforce peace and security and bring about a world without war.
  Today, with 185 member States, the United Nations is stronger than ever. Why, then, has the most powerful international organization in history failed to accomplish its noble objectives fully?
  Religion-A Great Hindrance
  One major complication is the role that religion plays in world affairs. True, ever since the inception of the United Nations, the principal religions of the world have pledged their support to that organization. Referring to its 50th anniversary, Pope John Paul II spoke of the United Nations as "the instrument par excellence for promoting and safeguarding peace." His sentiments are shared by a global community of religious leaders. But this tactful liaison between religion and government cannot hide the fact that religion has been a hindrance and a nuisance to the United Nations.
  For centuries religion has played a prime role in promoting or supporting nationalistic hatred, wars, and genocides. In recent years, under the cloak of religious fervor, neighbors have killed one another. The term "ethnic cleansing" has been widely used in connection with the war in the Balkans. However, the violent hatred that many there have for one another is based on religious affiliation rather than on race, since most of them have the same ethnic roots. Yes, religion must accept much of the responsibility for the bloodbath in the former Yugoslavia, and the United Nations has not been able to stop it.
  Appropriately, a college professor of religion recently stated that "in a post cold-war world of increasing religious militancies, an examination of religion and genocide may be one of our more pressing priorities, despite the discomfort it engenders." A new awareness of how religion is impeding the efforts for world peace is evident today.
  A 1981 UN declaration stated: "Concerned by manifestations of intolerance and by the existence of discrimination in matters of religion or belief still in evidence in some areas of the world, Resolved to adopt all necessary measures for the speedy elimination of such intolerance in all its forms and manifestations and to prevent and combat discrimination on the ground of religion or belief."
  In harmony with their declaration, the United Nations has declared 1995 to be the Year for Tolerance. Realistically speaking, though, will it ever be possible to achieve peace and security in a world divided by religion?
  The Future of Religion
  A prophecy in the Bible book of Revelation provides the answer. It speaks of a symbolic "great harlot" that sits as "a queen" and has "a kingdom over the kings of the earth." This harlot lives "in shameless luxury" and has relations with the world's governments. These governments are depicted as "a scarlet-colored wild beast," upon which the harlot rides in comfort. (Revelation 17:1-5, 18; 18:7) Known as "Babylon the Great," this powerful and immoral woman is named after ancient Babylon, the cradle of idolatrous religion. Appropriately, today the harlot represents all the world's religions, which have mingled in with the affairs of governments.
  The account goes on to say that, in time, God will put it into the hearts of militaristic components of the wild beast to take action. These "will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." (Revelation 17:16) Thus Jehovah God himself will have taken the initiative by maneuvering powerful nations into a campaign to remove false religion. The worldwide religious system, with its luxurious temples and shrines, will be completely devastated. Religious hindrance to establishing peace and security will then be out of their way. But even then, will there be real peace and security on earth?
  Imperfect Human Nature
  Is there any guarantee that eliminating religion will really clear the way for a world without war? No. The United Nations will continue to face an ironic situation. On the one hand, people want peace and security. Yet, on the other hand, it is people who pose the greatest threat to peace and security. Hatred, pride, egotism, selfishness, and ignorance are human traits at the root of all conflicts and wars.-James 4:1-4.
  The Bible foretold that in our day people would be "lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride."-2 Timothy 3:1-4.
  Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali acknowledged that "the world is suffering from a social and moral crisis which, in many societies, is of immense proportions." No amount of diplomatic maneuvers can neutralize the harmful traits of imperfect human nature.-Compare Genesis 8:21; Jeremiah 17:9.
  Jesus Christ-The Prince of Peace
  Clearly, the United Nations does not have the ability to bring world peace. Its members and supporters are all imperfect humans, notwithstanding their lofty goals. The Bible says that "to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." (Jeremiah 10:23) Furthermore, God warns: "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs."-Psalm 146:3.
  The Bible foretells what Jehovah will accomplish through his Son, the "Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6, 7 states: "There has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end."
  The nations of the world have been wearied by 50 years of frustrated efforts. Very soon they will destroy harlotlike religious organizations. Then Jesus Christ, the "King of kings and Lord of lords," and his army of heavenly warriors will dissolve all human governments and put to death all who reject God's sovereignty. (Revelation 19:11-21; compare Daniel 2:44.) By this means Jehovah God will bring about a world without war.
  [Footnotes]
  For an in-depth study of the prophecy of Revelation regarding Babylon the Great, see chapters 33 to 37 of the book Revelation-Its Grand Climax At Hand!, published in 1988 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
  [Box on page 7]
  THE CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE UNITED NATIONS
  In Bible prophecy, human governments are often symbolized by wild beasts. (Daniel 7:6, 12, 23; 8:20-22) Hence, for many decades the Watchtower magazine has identified the wild beasts of Revelation chapters 13 and 17 with today's worldly governments. This includes the United Nations, which is depicted in Revelation chapter 17 as a scarlet-colored beast with seven heads and ten horns.
  However, this Scriptural position does not condone any form of disrespect toward governments or their officials. The Bible clearly states: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves."-Romans 13:1, 2.
  Accordingly, Jehovah's Witnesses, who are maintaining strict political neutrality, do not interfere with human governments. They never foment revolution or participate in acts of civil disobedience. Rather, they recognize that some form of government is necessary to maintain law and order in human society.-Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1.
  Jehovah's Witnesses view the United Nations organization as they do other governmental bodies of the world. They acknowledge that the United Nations continues to exist by God's permission. In harmony with the Bible, Jehovah's Witnesses render due respect to all governments and obey them as long as such obedience does not require that they sin against God.-Acts 5:29.
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  The Circuit Overseers says "dangerous info...

  by biblexaminer in

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  our illustrious co speaks from the platform.

  he tells us that.... .

  ...the internet has information that can seriously harm our faith.

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  I can't believe I used to send this kind of stuff to people

  "CATHOLIC puppies free to a good home!"
  There was a small boy outside of the local grocery store that had a cardboard box containing new born puppies. The sign on the side of the box read "CATHOLIC puppies free to a good home!". The local priest walked by and smiled.

  One week later the priest walked by the same boy outside of the grocery store and was surprised when he saw the cardboard box containing the puppies now sporting a new sign that read "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES puppies free to a good home!"

  The priest asked the boy why he had changed the sign from reading "Catholic puppies" to the one now reading "Jehovah's Witnesses puppies". "Well you see", the boy answered, "that is because now the puppies have their eyes open!".

  I have now changed it. You can guess for yourself what the sign reads now. Yep, the Apostate puppies have their eyes open. I don't consider myself to be an apostate but that is what I have been called.

  My eyes have truly been opened thanks to my now having access to the internet and forums such as this one where I can obtain information and do research.

  Chester
  An apostate with his eyes wide open
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  U Got to Love the Boys in Writing

  by JT in

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  organization.

  following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah's witnesses have no clergy-laity division.

  all baptized members are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

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  Hey JT,

  Jehovah's Witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the Scriptures

  I did fall off my chair when I read that one

  Chester
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  Experiences: How you know it ain't the 'truth'

  by LDH in

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  please post your experiences here for any lurkers to read.

  when i was a teenager, there was a young lady early 20's who had moved into our cong.

  she had a newborn son and had just married her worldly boyfriend, the father of the baby.

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  There are so many ways that I know "it ain't the truth".

  The big eye opener for me was the article that came out in the KM in November of 1999 about "the dangers of the internet"

  When I saw the lengths they were going to keep information from us bells started going off in my head big time.

  Chester