Posts by ChiChiMama

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non-jw family might hire jw nanny--r we crazy?

by fred in

we are a non-jw family with 2 kids under 5 thinking about hiring a jw live in nanny.

she is in her 30's, active jw.

we all have talked about mutual respect for each others religions, and all agreed to a hands off policy.

ChiChiMama

Reborn,

I am sorry that you disagree with my opinion and find my words to be generalizing too much.
I don't mind if you don't agree and your difference in oppinion just helps to balance out the whole thing.

You may be right about the generalizing thing.
If this person is not a strong JW then some of the things I mention might not be a worry.But some Jws swing back and forth from being weak or strong JWs so you never know when you need to worry.

Catholics are not known as an evangelical religion and neither are Muslims.
Jws are taught to preach and try to save lives.They are also taught that if they don't use every chance available to preach the "Good News" they could be found bloodguilty and loose their own everlasting life.I believe there is reason to worry about this.

If a JW was my chils Nanny, my son would come home one day from a Karate tournament with medals he won.
The JW would not be excited and encouraging,They believe martial arts are demonic.Will the JW keep their feelings to their self?

If my child is excited about Halloween he won't get positive input about his costume or any thing to do with it.Will that JW tell them Halloween is Spiritistic or evil?

When it is my childs birthday they will get no special treatment,card,gift, or even two little words, Happy Birthday.

My child may want to know why the Nanny is so different and the child will naturally ask.Conversations that I do not want would then happen.

The examples could go on and on.
This is not the kind of environment I want my children around. These people need to know these things so they can decide if it is what they want for theirs.

ChiChi

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non-jw family might hire jw nanny--r we crazy?

by fred in

we are a non-jw family with 2 kids under 5 thinking about hiring a jw live in nanny.

she is in her 30's, active jw.

we all have talked about mutual respect for each others religions, and all agreed to a hands off policy.

ChiChiMama

There is no way that I would allow one of Jehovah's Witnesses be a nanny for my children.I was raised as a JW and was one for 35 years.I know what I am talking about here.

A Nanny usually gets very close to the children.It's like adding another family member.
Yes,they may agree to respect your beliefs and may even promise not to preach to your children but they can't help themselves.

Your children will not get the special attention they deserve on their birthdays or any of the other holidays.
The children will be preached to every time the Nanny explains why her "Bible trained" conscience won't allow her to support your family with these celebrations.
The Nanny will cross boundries no matter what she promises in the begining.
On top of everything else she will not be healthy for your children's self esteem.
Basicaly a JW nanny would be a "Party Pooper" they expect children to be miniature adults instead of the children they should be.

Consider yourself warned.
Best wishes,

ChiChi

21

My Theory about wild X-JWs

by zenpunk in

jw
friends

i was pondering this theory this morning - what do you all think?.

a few months ago i went to visit someone from my last congregation who is now also an x-jw.

what is interesting is that, though completely straight-laced within the congregation, he became absolutely out of control once he left and is now trying to figure out how to get his life together.

ChiChiMama

I agree with most of what has been said so far and have some things to add.

All JWs are programed with a self destruct program if they ever leave the organization.
We came from a destructive and abusive belief system based on guilt and fear.

We were all taught that the world (that is anyone who is not a JW)is imoral and under Satans power.We are taught if we ever leave we will become wicked,imoral and under Satan's influence just like they are.

Many still hang on to these old beliefs even if only subconsciencly sometimes after leaving the JW life.
If we leave believing they are right about this then we become self fulfilling prophecies.

Then we also have the power of our anger and rebellion against almost every thing to do with JWs once we realize how mislead we were.We are in pain over the loss of family and friends. Sometimes we have no where to put this anger so it comes out in a selfdestructive way.

I do not think going wild temporaraly has anything to do with whether you believe in God and the Bible.Christians act out this way too, so don't try to say it is because of Athiest or Agnostic beliefs that this happens.I know Athiest and Agnostics with the highest of morals.

So in summary, my theory is that self destructive beliefs,anger, rebellion,loss also play a part in this.

ChiChi

42

Q for Everybody, So let me get this str

by Legendary U.2.K. in

jw
friends

nobody here wants to lived in the new earth aka the coming earthly paradise?

nothing in the bible is symbolic, because saying things that are symbolic in the bible, is like calling jehovah a liar, god would not write something like in the bible, then out of no where, it really means something else... example: 144,000, some people said's that's symbolic, lol yea right.... .

anyway it seems like no one here wants to lived in the new earth, my question is why?

ChiChiMama

If that paradise is full of only JWs then the answer is
H**L NO!

ChiChi

42

Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

ChiChiMama

I can't speak for everyone here but I personally do not believe the Bible is inspired by God.
It is full of contradictions even in the case of spiritism and the condition of the dead.

When reading the Bible you will find that it does indeed condem spiritism and divination.But it is chock full of examples of the dead coming back and visions of the dead,prophetic dreams,visions, fortune tellers,casting lots ect, healing.....All things condemed as spiritism today.I'm talking so called rightious men having a part in these things.

Some justify this saying that these men had gifts but those went away after Jesus death so any thing like that from that point on is from the Devil.

Well,Do you know how they chose a man to fill Judas position?
They cast Lots.This was after Jesus death That is a form of divination.You can't have it both ways.

Anyway, I don't want to argue. It is pointless since the Bible is just a man made book to me.

ChiChi

22

JW Woman on Trial for Killing Infant

by BeautifulGarbage in

this article was in today's desert and pass edition of the press-enterprise (riverside, ca, usa).

it doesn't appear on their website.

i typed the article verbatim.

ChiChiMama

Plm,
There are lots of mentally ill JWs out there.

I hope no one misunderstands my post.It was a crime and she must face the consequences.It's just that an unfortunate set of circumstances were at play here.

ChiChi

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JW Woman on Trial for Killing Infant

by BeautifulGarbage in

this article was in today's desert and pass edition of the press-enterprise (riverside, ca, usa).

it doesn't appear on their website.

i typed the article verbatim.

ChiChiMama

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen.
It is so awful what cults can do to people.I hate them!

Just think, the very thing she was trying to avoid is now a reality plus she is facing a worse nightmare than she could ever imagine.

ChiChi

42

Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

ChiChiMama

Double Edge,

Your right but if I am ridiculed it is okay.I probably deserve it because I went through a spell of doing that to others.I am sorry now that I doubted them so strongly.
I remember telling them that I had done everything possible bring out spirits and there was nothing.To me this was proof to me that they don't exist.

I also have to admit that I did not believe because of fear of the unknown.I no longer am.
I believe there are good and bad spirits just like there good and bad humans.

I do not understand how this all works but I do feel it has something to do with being open and in the right frame of mind.

I have had a couple of other profound experiences but like you said they are very personal and not to be shared with everyone.
The thing is, I don't care what others believe and I have no desire to try to prove anything to anyone.

ChiChi

42

Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

ChiChiMama

Kep,
A few months ago I would have said "absolutly not".I quit believing in spirits and Satan and God for that matter. In my mind if I believed in one I would have to accept the others.
I have since found out there are many all down through history that believed in spirits but not in Satan.Anyway this is a whole different subject,I just wanted to give some background.

I have had a couple of very moving experiences recently and I will share one with you now.
I had a good JW friend,Now when I walked out of the organization she was very angry with me.It really hurt that I was judged as an Apostate and I could do nothing to change her mind.It was a painful loss.
About a year later I find out she had died! I was shocked and upset about this.I couldn't get her out of my mind and I started thinking,"Well,If there is an afterlife she knows the truth now" I thought this off and on for days I just kept thinking about her and kept feeling like we had unfinished business.

I was talking to a friend on the phone who is involved in lots of spiritistic things and at the begaining of the conversation I mentioned that I had lost a friend in death recently. We quickly moved to other subjects and spoke for about an hour.

I told my friend that I had to get off the phone and get something to eat.We were in the middle of saying our goodbys and all the sudden she says "wait!She's here!" I said who is there and she said It's your friend and she wants me to tell you something.I was sceptical and and thought she was a nut.But she went on and described her looks to a tee.Then she delivered the message.
The person who I was talking to had never seen her before and we had never discussed her either.

She starts out by saying that she feels she should not have to aplolgize to me because we both know what happened and neither of us was at fault.(I got chills from head to toe)She went ahead and apoligized anyway for being so angry at me and my husband and said she understands everything now.She said she backs us 100%.
She went on to say that Watchtower's Walls would crumble but they would not completly dissapear.She said to keep fighting for what is right. She then said that we would be shocked if we really knew how much backing we had in the spirit world.She said that is all she had to say and that she was leaving.

My friend and I were both in shock, we told one another bye right then and there.I couldn't get those chills to go away!

I realized that I had not responded in any way so I went to my room and called for my dead friend ,I then delivered my message to her and my chills went away.
I don't care what anyone says or thinks this was a very real experience.

ChiChi

14

Ugggg, I'm sick. :(

by Elsewhere in

i'm not sure what i've got, but it feels a lot like the flu.

i'm not congested or coughing, but i feel awful.

aches and pains and my skin is very sensitive.

ChiChiMama

YUCK!

Sounds like a nasty virus.

I hope it is one of those 24hr things and not the kind that last for days.

Hope you feel better real soon!

ChiChi