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  Indigo Children

  by feenx in

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  what you think, what do you know, how do you feel about indigo children?

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  zensim

  Funnily enough, the concept of Indigo Children was very instrumental in aiding me leaving the dubs all those years back.

  I came across an ad for the movie and, just from that little blurb, I immediately thought "That is me" and then in the next moment "that is my children". That was then :)

  I learned a lot from the concept and, even though I don't subscribe to it anymore (was only deeply interested in it for about a year) I feel that it was so outside the realm of what I believed as a witness, and introduced me to many trains of thought that dubs would consider 'demonic', that it really helped open my mind to learning from everything and anything. I believe there is an element of truth in most things.

  It really helped me to understand that everyone has different filters for how they see the world and, for some people, those filters are quite different and very literal - as evidenced by many of the people on this thread who have now shared in openness their experiences with colour, taste etc.

  It was also through Indigo children concept that I realised how sensitive children are and gained a much deeper understanding of the dynamics of energy. I also discovered that my eldest daughter sees colours around others according to their emotions. I don't see this by any means. However, it has been a useful understanding for me in helping her distinguish between her own emotions and others - in the past she was prone to constant stomach aches from internalising other people's 'stuff'.

  Like everything though, and as Terry so rationally pointed out, taking up residence in any belief system such as this is a great avoidance strategy for facing reality. After experiencing life as a witness and the whole "we are the chosen people" never sitting well with me, I am very sceptical of anything that smacks of separation. To me Indigo children parents (and I have met quite a few) are the New Age version of parents who put their children in talent/beauty pageants!

  To FlyingHighNow:

  "And I always feel like I am dreaming."

  Yep, that's how I feel also. Always have ... and I used to feel that there was something wrong with me. In learning to become more present to life, to accept and welcome all that is, that feeling has grown stronger. In realising this illusory thing we call 'life' I have actually become integrated and now walk consciously through the dream. There is a lucidness here which is so startling in its clarity, encompassing both the dream and the real.

  You might enjoy this:

  http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229
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  God is a Metaphor

  by nvrgnbk in

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  god is a metaphor.

  dr. khalid sohail .

  being a secular humanist i do not believe in any god or organized religion, but as a poet i am fascinated by all the languages and metaphors human beings have created over the centuries to understand and explain the mysteries of life and nature.

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  Neverending - couldn't agree more. I have my days too where I just look around and all I see is a form of human parasites and get discouraged.

  The two words which stood out the most for me were 'egotistical' and 'equilibrium'. From my experience both those need to be addressed inwardly first though before they manifest outwardly.

  Speaking of which, time to go and get some equilibrium around my home - been on the computer all morning! : )

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKy73uTOhDc
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  God is a Metaphor

  by nvrgnbk in

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  god is a metaphor.

  dr. khalid sohail .

  being a secular humanist i do not believe in any god or organized religion, but as a poet i am fascinated by all the languages and metaphors human beings have created over the centuries to understand and explain the mysteries of life and nature.

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  Good points : )

  I am neither here to agree or disagree, to be convinced or convince. I simply wish to explore.

  For me it is not whether we or animals are more evolved. You seem to miss my point that it has to be one or the other and that we need to prove it to be so (by science, religion or otherwise). We are all (animals included) subject to a life force that we barely grasp or understand (much as JamesThomas said). Life will naturally self-correct itself using whatever means necessary. How we are part of that equation, or animals (or anything else for that matter) remains to be seen. It is humans however who will need to create a concept to give credit to something for that self-correction.
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  God is a Metaphor

  by nvrgnbk in

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  god is a metaphor.

  dr. khalid sohail .

  being a secular humanist i do not believe in any god or organized religion, but as a poet i am fascinated by all the languages and metaphors human beings have created over the centuries to understand and explain the mysteries of life and nature.

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  I understand what you are saying. You just have a big presumption there that animals don't have the ability to appreciate what you consider only special to humans. What about if we are the ones limited in our ability to communicate with them - not the other way around? What if we are the ones that need to continue to evolve? What if they already appreciate the consequences of death and have come to terms with it - something most humans seem incapable of?
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  God is a Metaphor

  by nvrgnbk in

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  god is a metaphor.

  dr. khalid sohail .

  being a secular humanist i do not believe in any god or organized religion, but as a poet i am fascinated by all the languages and metaphors human beings have created over the centuries to understand and explain the mysteries of life and nature.

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  zensim

  Forgot to add: thanks nvr for posting a great article.
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  To "zenism"

  by poppers in

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  to zenism - sorry about posting this openly but sending a pm doesn't work on my computer.

  i just want you to know that i got your pm and the answer to your question is "no, i don't" - i appreciate the sentiment you expressed in your pm - sometimes i wonder if anyone actually is interested in what i have to say.

  if you care to pm me your email address i can send you the address of another site i post at which is dedicated to discussing "waking up"......... poppers

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  Thanks Poppers!

  I will check out the site and find you : )

  Couldn't agree more with that last para you wrote.

  Damn annoying about the email though ...
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  God is a Metaphor

  by nvrgnbk in

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  god is a metaphor.

  dr. khalid sohail .

  being a secular humanist i do not believe in any god or organized religion, but as a poet i am fascinated by all the languages and metaphors human beings have created over the centuries to understand and explain the mysteries of life and nature.

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  zensim

  Neverendingjourney:

  We are not programmed to accept death

  I don't believe any 'animal' is programmed to accept death - all animals have the primal urge for survival. Thus it is not this urge for survival which created concepts of god.

  Apes understand metaphors. They have a very good appreciation that an artists sketch of them is in actual fact a representation of their likeness. We don't seem to be in a position yet though to be able to tell whether conceptual understanding in itself leads to creating a concept of god.

  In my mind, human consciousness just doesn't like to 'not know'. Where there are gaps in our knowledge we seek to fill them - simply because we are fearful of a void.

  Funkyderek:

  It [religion] tells us how the world came to be and why - but it doesn't give us the real answers, it gives us answers that were made up by people who knew a lot less about the universe than we do.

  I agree with what you say - but for the sake of semantics here: The fact is that a lot of people had experiences that couldn't be explained (as to whether they made them up, well that would entail a whole other thread) and so they used metaphors to convey their experience. The issue is not just with those that conveyed their experience necessarily (eg Christ), but with all those who seized upon 'this' as the answer. Rather we can view the experience as just another experience or just another question to be explored. These experiences can be appreciated for their own simple sake, as you said - like a piece of music or art. If you deny the experience (which is unfortunately presented as an 'answer') then you are still just as caught up in the concept.

  Thus for me the answer lies in the experience itself - what is the essence of that experience. Whereas most people seize on whether (a) the experience is even true in the first place and (b) how can we break that down into a set of rules (answers) to live by.

  As to giving us "answers by people who knew a lot less about universe than we do" - well, they gave us their explanation of it subject to their experience. If they experienced 'spirit/god' as being in everything and everywhere - they were doing their best to describe their experience of what physics now explains as energy. (Mind you, science is just as conceptual also). However, we humans like to take a concept and then build concept upon concept upon it. There is life after death as such, giving that our 'energy' will be transmuted. But humans got so caught up in the concept of life after death and god that they completely skipped over the experience.

  We all need beliefs/concepts at the end of the day to function as humans. It is just how many we choose to load ourselves down with.
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  my favourite poem...what's yours?

  by ninja in

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  http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/183727/a-poem-mp3.html ...hope it works...if not can someone help me get it hosted?....cheers btw its by lascelles abercrombie

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  zensim

  Jabberwocky also, Sailing to Byzantium (I think because I just love that word - Byzantium). And this:

  THE INVITATION

  It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.
  I want to know what you ache for
  and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart's longing.

  It doesn't interest me how old you are.
  I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool for love
  for your dream
  for the adventure of being alive.

  It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon...
  I want to know if you have touched the centre of your own sorrow
  if you have been opened by life's betrayals
  or have become shrivelled and closed
  from fear of further pain.

  I want to know if you can sit with pain
  mine or your own
  without moving to hide it
  or fade it
  or fix it.

  I want to know if you can be with joy
  mine or your own
  if you can dance with wildness
  and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your fingers and toes
  without cautioning us
  to be careful
  to be realistic
  to remember the limitations of being human.

  It doesn't interest me if the story you are telling me is true.
  I want to know if you can
  disappoint another
  to be true to yourself.
  If you can bear the accusation of betrayal
  and not betray your own soul.
  If you can be faithless
  and therefore trustworthy.

  I want to know if you can see Beauty
  even when it is not pretty
  every day.
  And if you can source your own life
  from its presence.

  I want to know if you can live with failure
  yours and mine
  and still stand at the edge of the lake
  and shout to the silver of the full moon,
  "Yes."

  It doesn't interest me
  to know where you live or how much money you have.
  I want to know if you can get up
  after the night of grief and despair
  weary and bruised to the bone
  and do what needs to be done
  to feed the children.

  It doesn't interest me who you know
  or how you came to be here.
  I want to know if you will stand
  in the centre of the fire
  with me
  and not shrink back.

  It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom
  you have studied.
  I want to know what sustains you
  from the inside
  when all else falls away.

  I want to know if you can be alone
  with yourself
  and if you truly like the company you keep
  in the empty moments.

  Oriah
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  As a parent....how do YOU feel about trampolines?

  by onlycurious in

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  my daughter broke her arm really just a hair above the elbow about 5 years ago.

  her arm isn't the same after having pins in it.

  now my oldest daughter has been going over to a friends house and doing back flips (as if she's a pro) on the dumb thing.

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  We've got one for the kids - and I sometimes jump on it. All three of us, at once!

  Sheez, my girls' life is so much tamer than what my brother and I used to get up to
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  Triplet birth

  by zensim in

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  i am constantly amazed at the courage of the human spirit.

  having triplets alone would be a momentous task, let alone what else comes with it: .

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5892030206214460724&pr=goog-sl

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  I am constantly amazed at the courage of the human spirit. Having triplets alone would be a momentous task, let alone what else comes with it:

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5892030206214460724&pr=goog-sl