What King Solomon? Sorry, there is no evidence he even existed, the Jewish people might have just needed some heroes of their own, to keep up with other more advanced people around them.
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Was King Solomon really wise?
by VM44 inwas king solomon really wise?
the bible gives one example of his wisdom in the way that he determined which mother was the the actual mother of a baby.
a method, by the way, that involved trickery.
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Bethelite Attorney-In-Training Receives Award
by West70 ingeneral studies student receives women's forum education award
school of general studies student kathleen apltauer has received the 2005 women's forum educational award.
the award is presented annually to new york city women in recognition of the extraordinary and heroic efforts they have made in order to overcome adversity in their lives.
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Those hypocritical Bastards!!!!!!
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I can't read the WT and AWAKE anymore
by Jez inhundreds of supplementary publications written by unnamed authors that can hide behind the watchtower and bible tract society and say anything without referencing it.
lately, i have been thinking that this is one of the reasons that the society does not encourage higher education.
try handing in an essay without your name on it, try not referencing your essay, try having no works cited, try to have only 1 works cited, try quoting out of context, try spewing statistics or numbers or trends in your essay with no reference or date, add ellipsis that only alert your instructor to the potential of hidden information, or try presenting as support for your thesis a third party quote.
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Knowing that that the Paradise Lost orange book which gave you nightmares is a load of CRAP = A day of happy thoughts and joy
Knowing that there is no damn Tribulation nor is Armaggedon coming to kill millions including your non JW freinds and family = Laughter, Peace true Happiness
Placing all the mind numbing useless watchtower magazines in bags of trash and dumping them out=
PRICELESS!!!!
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Is Discussing Jehovah's Witnesses Therapeutic For You???
by minimus init is for me.
i find that when i tell a person exactly how witnesses think and why they believe in things the certain way they do, it feels good!
listening to myself express the craziness of the religion makes me abhor their practices and mind control.
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YES!!!! It has helped me cope with the anger you initially feel when you know the truth about the "Truth", since I found out about all of the lies, I have helped members of my family and some freinds see them also, and now we can all vent with each other which is great, we are all pretty much undercover, it's call "theocratic warfare" hahahaha, they want to play that game? we can too!!!!
Now I participate in this forum one, because we share a common bond and there's great people here, two, because if I can help anyone open their eyes and see religion for what it is, and help loosen the ties it has on people, then I will have contributed to making this world a better place for future generations.
If there is no religous fervor, there will be alot less wars!
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Apostasy in the early church? NO
by greendawn inhaving checked the history of the early church to the time of constantine, i find the claim that the church apostasized after the death of the last apostle around 100 ad as being grossly mistaken.
to cut a long story short it appears that those holding high ranks (ie the bishops) in the church did eventually become corrupted through lust for power and glory culminating in the unnatural union with the roman state but there never was a wilful corruption of doctrine and loss of divine grace as the jws claim in that period.
things with the r&f carried on much as under the apostles with some churches being spiritually strong and some weak.
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This websit is very interesting shedding much light on the bible, christianity and judaism among others, check it out!
What DID the Early Christians Believe?
Shadowy Mr Big behind worldwide criminal organisation. Known variously as 'Jesus', 'Christ', 'Lord', and 'Saviour'. Persistent rumours of a brief appearance in Palestine though unknown in official records. Cult members convince themselves JC is alive today. Intelligence suggests never actually existed.
email the author –Kenneth Humphreys
Site Search: search tips site map 25.03.05
Hercules. Now let's see ...
• born from a god (Zeus) and a mortal virgin mother (Alcmene).
• while still an infant, a jealous goddess, Hera, tried to kill him.
• performed miraculous deeds.
• descended into Hades.
• died in agony.
• rose again as a god.
Should we believe in an historical Hercules? He's mentioned by Tacitus, Josephus and others.
In short, we have as much (that is, as little) evidence for an historical Hercules as an historical Jesus.
Hercules carries his "cross"12th Labour
Hercules at the tree of Hesperides, with apples and a snake. Sound a tad familiar?
(British Museum)Christians today, who affect such certainty over what their godman said and did, might be well served to pause and reflect that Christians who lived within a generation or two of their supposed saviour had no such certainty, that they speculated wildly, disagreed with each other to the point of violence, and organised rival churches.
For more than two hundred and fifty years the enthusiasts of Christ concocted astonishing fairy tales drawn from Pagan and Jewish antecedents and their own imagination.
Let's consider a few thorns in the crown of the godman.
Sun God1. Precisely when did this story spread?
Bizarre Beginnings – The Assortment of Early Christian Belief
Inconvenient fact: many cardinal "Christian" beliefs, including belief in a sacrificial godman, had been widespread for centuries before the Christians appeared. The evidence shows clearly that the Christians took over pre-existing beliefs and sacraments rather than introduced new ones.
Abraxas Jesus2. Precisely what story got off the ground? Nice Gnostics – Christian 'Mystics of Knowledge'
Inconvenient fact: early Christianity was characterized by wildly variable beliefs about their hero. The earliest Christian theorists denied a physical incarnation of their Lord and knew nothing of the Bethlehem saga.
Zodiac Jesus3. Precisely where did this story spread? Inconvenient fact: The middle decades of the 2nd century were the most prosperous age of the Roman Empire. With the catastrophic defeat of the Jews in 135 everything Jewish was treated with opprobrium. Christian writers in the great cities of the empire scrambled to use Greek logic and the style of the sophists to defend Christianity. The Jewishness of the faith was purged but the apologists had little to say about a human Jesus. They took comfort in noting similarities between their own ideas and pagan myths.
4. A mass following? Orthodoxy and the Early Church
Inconvenient fact: evidence of early Christian communities is scanty. The Christians remained a minority until well after one particular faction formed a political alliance with the State. The orthodox creed was unpopular for centuries; persecution was necessary to impose its will.
Pagans campaigned to restore the Altar of Victory to the Senate House as late as the early 5th century.
Copyright © 2005 by Kenneth Humphreys.
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Internet - Thursdays Service Meeting
by stillajwexelder inin the service meeting on thursday, there was an item in the kingdom ministry about the dangers of the internet.
in our kingdom hall they discussed the internet and sexual predators at length and mentioned a recent circuit assembly where the district overseer went on and on about the internet without mentioning specific sites.
the circuit assembly and the service meeting discussed that apostate sites and others for jws were used by non-jws to date non-married jw sisters and also by sexual predators.
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I think that what the WTS may be doing is trying to demonize the Internet so much, that the parents to avoid the danger for their children will eventually (wishful thinking) get rid of the internet altogether, but this is 2005 and the world has changed quite a bit since the 50's which is where the GB mentality is stuck, and the use of the internet is more of a need than a luxury, so no it isn't going away!
I also think that eventually the WTS if it survives another 20 years, will be composed of the old timers, the ignorant and uninformed, but most of this generation of children will be gone!!!! So lurking parents, open your eyes, and get ready, don't let those kids get baptized because they will just get disfellowshipped eventually, and it will be so much worse for them. Boy am I glad I found all this out, before my two kids got baptized!
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My First Doubt
by tall penguin inthis may not seem like your typical doubt but it was the first time i allowed myself to question the bible and the wt's explanation of things.
about 6 years ago, i was assigned a talk on the man judah.
this was when we were doing talks on specific bible characters.
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This is a great Topic, you know, it always amazes me, that for so many years I read those ridiculous accounts in the bible and although some of them made me stop and think at the moment, I just put it away in back of my mind, because when I asked my mom (totally devout JW pioneer) she just said that some things are hard to understand and if we think about them too much we will start harboring doubts . Man, how I now wish I would have harbored those doubts, I would have left years ago.
I just found out that there is no evidence whatsoever for King Solomon existence or David's for that matter, nothing, nada, they have excavated ruins of other empires from around that time, and no one even wrote anything about the supposed riches of Solomon, or of how they ransacked those riches NOTHING! What a load of CRAP!
IC -- (of the if there is no proof it didn't happen class)
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Wow! that was really interesting, I must research it some more, hey, you know I also heard that some magic mushrooms grew on the island of Patmos where John the supposed writer of Revelations was imprisoned, and that would also explain alot! Oh, I must get some of those mushrooms so I can also see cool stuff!!!
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Check this out!
by ICBehindtheCurtain ini had to change the title of this, because most of you already know that christians, muslims and jew's are wrong, i think maybe thats why hardly no one read it, anyway here it is.. i found this and thought i'de share it, it's very "politically incorrect", this guy has balls, to say all this, there's a couple of things he got wrong, like that god whispere in muhammad's ear, when it was supposedly an angel that appeard to him, and the shellfish thing, when shrimp are really cretaceous.
enjoy!!
hey this is my first topic, post.
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I had to change the title of this, because most of you already know that Christians, Muslims and Jew's are wrong, I think maybe thats why hardly no one read it, anyway here it is.
I found this and thought I'de share it, it's very "politically incorrect", this guy has balls, to say all this, there's a couple of things he got wrong, like that God whispere in Muhammad's ear, when it was supposedly an angel that appeard to him, and the shellfish thing, when shrimp are really cretaceous. Enjoy!!
Hey this is my first Topic, post.
If You're a Christian, Muslim or Jew - You are Wrong
.: posted Wednesday, October 26, 2005 ::: by the WebMaster ::: EmailThis! :-by Cent Uygur
We live in a twisted world, where right is wrong and wrong reigns supreme. It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies.
These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews.
Osama bin Laden is insane. He believes God whispered in the ear of Mohammed 1,400 years ago about how he should conquer Arabia. Mohammed was a pure charlatan -- and a good one at that. He makes present religious frauds like Pat Robertson look like amateurs.
He said God told him to have sex with as many of the women he met as possible. I'm sorry, I meant to say "take them as wives." God told him to kill all other tribes that stood in his way or that would not placate him with assurances of loyalty or bribes. God told him, conveniently, that everyone should follow him and never question a word he said.
He sold this bag of goods to the blithering idiots who lived in the Arabian Peninsula at the time. If that weren't shockingly stupid enough, over a billion people continue to believe the convenient lies that Mohammed told all that time ago -- to this very day.
We live in a world full of insane people. Sanity is an island battered in an ocean of frothing delusion. The people who believe in science are the minority. The people who believe in bloody fairytales are the overwhelming majority.
George W. Bush is the most powerful man alive. He is a class A imbecile. He is far less intelligent than the average Christian. But like most of the others, he believes Jesus died for his sins. That idea is so perverse and devoid of logic it should shock the conscience. Instead, it gets him elected, and earns him the reverence of a great percentage of America. America! The most advanced country in the world -- run by a bunch of villagers who still believe Santa Claus is going to save them.
There is no damn Easter Bunny. There is no Jesus waiting to return. Moses never even existed. These were all convenient lies from the men of those times to gain power. Their actions were rational -- they wanted to deceive their brethren so that they could amass power. I get their motivations. But I cannot, for the life of me, understand our motivations, thousands of years later, still following the conmen of yesteryear into our gory, bloody, violent end.
Jesus is said to have said on the cross, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because Jesus was insane and the God he thought would rescue him did not exist. And he died on that cross like a fool. He fancied himself the son of God and he could barely convince twelve men to follow him at a time when the world was full of superstition.
Excellent marketing by some of his followers would later rescue his botched effort. How many people saw his miracles? One? Twelve? Eighty? Why didn't he show the whole world? Not because this is some giant pop quiz by God to test us -- but because he did not perform any miracles!
Even his apostles can't agree on what miracles he supposedly carried out or when he carried them out. Or whether he returned after death or he didn't. Whether they saw him in person or just as a vision. Rational human beings shouldn't believe this kind of nonsense. Yet most of the world does.
If a man today killed his only son to show how much he loved other people, he would be considered a madman, locked in jail and earn society's contempt. Yet we think this is some sort of noble act by our Father in Heaven.
In Heaven? What, with the harps and the winged angels and the 72 virgins? My God, how stupid do you have to be to believe that?
I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.
So, I'm not calling you stupid if you haven't really read the material. And I know how powerful brainwashing is. We all received it when we were young and it is exceedingly difficult to break its grasp. But people dance around the issue out of politeness because they don't want to call you what you are -- ignorant.
There are a lot of people I love dearly and respect wholeheartedly who believe in religion. I hate to do this to them. But we have killed far too many people, wasted far too much time on this nonsense for us to keep going in this direction for fear of offense.
Jesus was a lunatic. God is not coming to your rescue. He hasn't come to anyone's rescue in thousands of years, including Jesus. Mohammed was a power hungry, scam artist and ruthless conqueror. Moses and Abraham were figments of the imagination of some long dead rabbi. He would probably laugh his ass off at all of you who still believe the fairytales he made up thousands of years ago. He probably wouldn't even believe it if you told him.
Did I mention Judaism? The chosen people? Come on, get off it. People walk around in clothes from 18th century Russia, thinking they have been chosen by God when they look like a bunch of jackasses. I'm tired of all the deaths because we did not want to give offense. Orthodox Jews are wrong and ridiculous.
As are the orthodox and fundamentalists of all of the religions. It says in the Bible that it is an abomination to wear clothes made of two different cloths or to eat shellfish. If you think God will hate you because you mixed wool and linen or because you ate some shrimp, you are insane.
How long are we going to dance around the 800-pound gorilla in the room? The world is run by madmen. It's not just Bush and bin Laden. It is the leader of all of the countries in the Middle East, almost all of the Americas and most of the rest of the world.
Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you. Trust me, your offense is much worse than mine.
Right now as you read this, there are ignorant, hateful Muslims teaching other ignorant Muslims how to put on a suicide belt. There are orthodox Jews telling other Jews how they must never leave their "holy land" no matter what the consequences are to other human beings. They assure their followers -- remember, they are not the chosen ones, we are. If we crush and oppress them, don't worry, God will excuse it, and even desires it, because He is on our side.
There are maniacal Christians who are praying for the end of time. Who are hoping that most of the world's population is wiped off the face of the Earth by their vengeful and murderous God. Whom they believe is, ironically, a loving God. Unless, of course, you make the fatal mistake of not kissing his ass and appeasing him, in which case he will slaughter you and condemn you to eternal torture. What kind of sick people believe this?
The kind who live next to you. The kind who voted for George Bush. The kind who send their religious leaders to the White House to argue against even-handedness in the Middle East because it would prevent their sick prophecy. The kind who have undue influence over how we use the greatest and most lethal army ever built by man.
If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed. Learn the real nature of our universe and put aside old wives tales about resurrected Gods, omniscient prophets and a guy who could split the Red Sea but couldn't find where he's going in the desert for forty years.
It's the year 2005. Let's start acting like it.IC
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Street work
by pratt1 in.
maybe this only happens in urban neighborhoods but when i was growing up, many dubs engaged in street work, basically offering the magazines to people on the street as they walked to a destination.. usually it was an area with a lot of foot traffic at a time when many people would travel the area.. did you or people in your congo engage in this and were there any funny stories relating to this practice?
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Hi Pratt1, yes I actually did alot of this in Queens NY, with my freinds, we were out there rain or shine or snow, CRAZY CRAP, now that I think about it, all for a damn book publishing company oh well, I guess I'm not the only one. There's a person in my past who had the last name Pratt, I wonder what he's doing now, he would flip out if he knew I was no longer blinded by the WTS light . Cool, now I can see clearly now, and the rain is gone, damn, I'm stuck in that eighties time warp again!
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