could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
Gumby, I should have clarified that, I was referring to the later Rutherford era understanding of that date, I know Russell believed that Jesus began reigning in 1874 and that 1914 was the date Armaggedon would begin.
Thank you Gumby, I also see alot more sincerity (a little weirdness though) in Russell, than in Drunkard Rutherford.
IC
it has often been said that the jw organisation of today is far, far different to the organisation that ct russell set up, both in beliefs and teachings as well as administration.
i've even heard it said that if ctr were alive today, he would be disfellowshipped for all manner of 'offences' as proscribed by the modern-day wts!
so, if it were possible for you to ask ctr just one question, what would it be?
You do have a point there Blondie, I have read up on what some other groups believed, and it was quite bizarre. I guess it was quite a different world back then.
IC
could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
Scholar, I understand you have a rather difficult time accepting that 607 is COMPLETELY WRONG, be that as it may, all this chronology mumbo jumbo and acrobatics is totally unnecessary, all you have to ask yourself is, did Jesus Christ's reign really begin in 1914 and if so where is the proof?
In the book "End-Time Visions - The Road to Armaggedon, by Richard Abanes (which I highly recommend you read Scholar) many interesting things come to light:
Are you aware that 1914 was not the real first world war? According to historians the War of Spanish Succession (1702-1713) was the actual 1st world war. This conflict involved France, Britain, Holland and Austria. Historians R.R. Palmer and Joel Colton note that this was the true frist world war because "it involved the overseas world together with the leading powers of Europe."
The legitimate second world war was the Seven Years ' War (1756-1763). It involved all four continents and all of the major oceans.
And, before these two "world wars" earlier conflicts led to widespread death and destruction. The Thirty Years War (1618-1648) involved ten nations and claimed the lives of two to three million soldiers. Thirty to forty percent of the civilian German population (i.e., seven to eight million people) died. Germany did not suffer such loses during World War 11. Then there was the Manchu-Chinese War of 1644. It left twenty-five million deas. The Napoleonic Wars (1792-1815) took five to six million lives, and the Taiping Rebellion (1850-1864) --"the most destructive war of the entire 19th century" - resulted in the deaths of approximately thirty million! To get a perspective on these numbers, World War I claimed a total of ten to twelve million lives, including approximately eight and a half million solders.
So as you see Scholar, the WTS belief that 1914 is the year that Christ began ruling, is only a delusion, wake up and realize that you are trying to prove something that has no basis in truth, only a made up idea by some men who wanted to control a group of people.
IC (of the I doubt Scholar's blinders are never coming off class)
it has often been said that the jw organisation of today is far, far different to the organisation that ct russell set up, both in beliefs and teachings as well as administration.
i've even heard it said that if ctr were alive today, he would be disfellowshipped for all manner of 'offences' as proscribed by the modern-day wts!
so, if it were possible for you to ask ctr just one question, what would it be?
Where you high on opium or other hallucinagens when you wrote all that CRAZY CRAP?
IC
seattle post-intelligencer.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/249301_mormon22.html.
mormon church loses in sex-abuse verdict .
YAY! it won't be long now!
IC
i work with a guy who sleep with a lot of different woman, and when i say a lot, i mean a lot!
i know what some are thinking, "oh he probably sleeps with a few and makes it sound like more.
" well i would think that too, if i did not actually meet a lot of these woman and work with some of them and they admit to sleeping with him on a regular basis.
I've been married for 17 years now, and was a virgin when I married. The way I now feel about sex outside of marriage is, if the person is single and is not hurting anyone... knock yourself out! I'ts nobody's business what other people do, I no longer judge others harshly.
As for me and mine, we have a much greater time together NOW , but infidelity is not an option, I want the whole package someone that adores you, and is there for you emotionally also, and whom you love, IT's GREAT!
If for some reason I was single again however, I WOULD definitely sample the merchandise before buying, WHY NOT!
IC
with the "new" way jw's are expelled from the congregations how would the congregation know who left on their own(disassociated) themselves or was disfellowshipped for "wrongdoing".
when i left the elders told me that they would tell the congregation that i "disassociated"my self and that would be that.
the whole congregation would know that i left on my own and was not expelled for immorality or wrongdoing.
I agree with willowyman Da'ing was always seen as the really bad thing, that only someone haughty and that had rejected Jehovah would do.
I think that in view of the WTS's ne policy, as soon as you know you no longer can stand going to meetings etc, you should write a letter or make a phone call to your JW freinds before they suspect anything, and explain why you are taking this course, then when it is announced they will fill in the rest as to why you are no longer a JW.
IC
a huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
WOW! Excellent work all of you, you guys are amazing!
THANK YOU!
IC
in the interest of completeness, i will post this part of my notes as well, even though it was not as controversial as other parts.
more controversial and/or ridiculous astatements to follow in later postings.
talk 9: preparing talks for the congregation - brothr local elder
I think there will be more and more elders giving up their positions, due to all this nonsensical crap! which is WONDERFULL!
WTS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, YOU ARE DOING GREAT!!!!
IC
Oops defd you forgot to say - If Jehovah permits, you have sinned and shown a haughty attitude and for this you will be punished, just yanking your chain defd .
IC
