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  Those who saw 1914...

  by OldSoul in

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  let's do a little exercise:.

  if the generation that saw 1914 will not die before armageddon, as specifically stated by the prophet class (the faithful and discreet slave, per current understanding), how many are left?.

  i'll be generous and say that a nine year old could grasp the sharp 1914 changes jws cleave to...well, cleave to religiously, i suppose.. according to the population division of the department of economic and social affairs of the united nations secretariat, world population prospects: the 2004 revision, accessed online at esa.un.org/unpp, sept. 1, 2005, there are about 265,000 persons age 100 or older (that is, who were alive in 1905) in 2005. in other words, world-wide there are fewer from the "generation" that saw 1914 than many city populations in the u.s. alone.. now, suppose for the sake of ludicrous forebearance, we say that the prophet class is allowed a mulligan (a concept flatly disallowed by deuteronomy 18:20-22 and 1 john 4:1).

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  Notice how the "passing away" of the "generation in which we live" is not linked with death from old age but with death at Armagedon. All that remained to complete this transformation is to claim that the "generation in which we live" is what Jesus really had in mind when he used the term at Matthew 24:34.

  Sure enough, one month later...

  And this is how they do it: subtly, one part at a time, until they've built up an entirely new doctrine without anyone noticing. That explains why the change created by introducing the "Nethinim" bothered me but didn't stay stuck in my craw. The pieces are far enough apart that you can't see the whole picture unless you're looking for it.

  Some have argued that the GB is so convinced by their own flavor of "logic" that they don't realize what they're doing. But this seems too deliberate to be unconscious. It's almost malicious.
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  Bad jobs in the new system

  by JH in

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  everybody pictures the new system as a paradise, but i'm sure that there will be lousy jobs, just like today.. well, some will be garbage men, picking up the trash house to house.

  not too pleasing for a new system job.. name other lousy jobs some will have to do even in the new system.

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  I always feared the job of burying hundreds of dead bodies and clearing out the possessions of the dead from buildings and homes so we JWs could use them.
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  Turn off that car alarm!!

  by jillbedford in

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  david owen rye, 48, was arrested in los angeles 10 days earlier for allegedly firing at least three bullets into a toyota camry in an apartment-house parking lot because its car alarm wouldn't shut off.. www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2005/08/10/man_fires_gun_at_car_to_silence_alarm/.

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  I've always wanted to do that, but with a bazooka...
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  Then, there are the heroes..........

  by Sunnygal41 in

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  posted on thu, sep. 01, 2005

  'that boy is a hero': rescue of family is silver lining for city .

  a 13-year-old boy in biloxi, miss., rescued his entire family -- 12 people, including his twin sister -- during katrina's rage.

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  Finally - something good I can tear-up over.

  Thanks, Sunnygal!
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  Smells that evoke memories...

  by LittleToe in

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  isn't it funny how certain smells can have a strong effect in evoking distant memories?.

  i was reminded of this when i just opened my desk drawer.

  a little earlier today i bought a local newspaper (which is unusual for me) and didn't have time to read it so i stuck it in the drawer.

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  Schools have a particular smell. Whenever I encounter it, my stomach knots and my soul is flooded with the nightmares of those years of grade school. The smell of #2 pencils and new notebooks in the stationary stores around August also send me into a panic - and normally I love the smell of fresh stationary.

  It took months for me to get used to my new apartment because they clean the halls everyday with the same cleaner they use in hotels. Every time I walked in and smelled the cleaner, I had a momentary feeling of being displaced and away from home.

  If I actually do stay away from home, the smell of my own pillows is a big comfort.
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  Witnesses Gone Wild

  by DevonMcBride in

  1. jw
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  has anyone lurked on the jw sites on myspace.com?

  i was surprised to see how much partying goes on.

  jw's nj, pa, ny.

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  There were always parties going on around here (MD), though I usually didn't hear about it 'til after as I wasn't "kewl" enough or in the right cliques. They were usually in D.C. or PA. The folks around here were especially fond of formals.
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  "Witness Humor" *or* "Jehovah Jollies"

  by GetBusyLiving in

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  did you guys ever find that dub's laugh their heads off at the corniest stuff?

  sometimes during the meetings they would all just burst out laughing at the lamest jokes or comments.

  for the life of me i could not understand what they found humorous.

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  And all this time, here I am thinking I'm just too uptight...
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  Those who saw 1914...

  by OldSoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let's do a little exercise:.

  if the generation that saw 1914 will not die before armageddon, as specifically stated by the prophet class (the faithful and discreet slave, per current understanding), how many are left?.

  i'll be generous and say that a nine year old could grasp the sharp 1914 changes jws cleave to...well, cleave to religiously, i suppose.. according to the population division of the department of economic and social affairs of the united nations secretariat, world population prospects: the 2004 revision, accessed online at esa.un.org/unpp, sept. 1, 2005, there are about 265,000 persons age 100 or older (that is, who were alive in 1905) in 2005. in other words, world-wide there are fewer from the "generation" that saw 1914 than many city populations in the u.s. alone.. now, suppose for the sake of ludicrous forebearance, we say that the prophet class is allowed a mulligan (a concept flatly disallowed by deuteronomy 18:20-22 and 1 john 4:1).

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  "Passing Away" no longer means dying of old age; it means execution at armageddon.

  TD, I missed this. Do you have the reference?
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  Anyone been baptised in another religon since leaving the dubs?

  by misspeaches in

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  2. beliefs

  i was just wondering if any of you have been baptised into another religon since leaving the jw's.. if you don't mind sharing i would love to know if it was a monumental decision for you to make?.

  what was your status when you did it?

  disphellowshipped?

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  You know, I wonder about this.

  It wasn't until I started re-investigating the Org that I really understood the implications of the post-'85 baptismal questions. I was livid at the arrogance of the Org when I saw the two sets of questions used previous to the '85 version.

  I made a dedication to Jehovah through prayer more than a year before I was baptized, but I wonder if that was sufficient since it didn't follow the format Jesus gave @ Matthew 28:19. I feel that Jesus' role has been down-played among JWs and that my dedication may not have shown a sufficient appreciation for Christ and the support of God's holy spirit. (Since JWs who make up the "other sheep" don't believe they are baptized with the holy spirit, Jesus' instructions are really inappropriate for them.) I also feel my baptism was tainted by it being used to symbolize a dedication to them. I'm starting to wonder if it was a "real" baptism.

  While I've since re-dedicated myself in my heart and through prayer, I'm unclear on what - if anything - I should do about baptism.
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  Do You Think The Watchtower Will Help The Hurricane Victims?

  by minimus in

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  maybe they'll take a cue from president bush and get involved?

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  Our CO from the platform, many times, strongly hinted that "everyone was signing their insurance checks over to the Society" and that "he didn't know ANYONE that DIDN'T donate their insurance checks to the Society."

  
  Grief - I've never heard of such a thing. How is it that I was dense enough that this sort of manipulation didn't make it though to my brain and show itself for what it was?

  I was always frustrated when there was a disaster and we never heard anything about the WTS' relief efforts and how those outside the affected areas could help. I can see why they'd organize on a local level, but there are so many friends who aren't in the local area who want to help - or, at least want to know what is being done for their brothers at the time of the disaster. I can imagine that some outside of the locality might travel into the damaged area to help because they're getting no details on what's going on and what's being done - so they act out of ignorance thinking this is the best way to help.

  Too, I wonder if the Org doesn't attempt more extensive relief efforts because they'd have to set up ways to manage the extra supplies and money. They would have to devote time to something other than printing and placing publications because they'd need a real, live, organized relief entity to manage resources and monitor the more "mundane" needs of the friends and supply help on a regular basis. JWs might actually start expecting help whenever a disaster occurred once such an entity existed and they could no longer pat themselves on the back as if they've done something extra-ordinary. Since the Org is so insistent that nothing distract them from the preaching and disciple-making work, they probably look down on creating a devoted, well-known, self-sufficient disaster relief entity.