Hi everyone, I'd like to tell about my dad's reasons for staying a JW!!
Firstly, does he believe the world was created?, yes.
Secondly, does he believe in God?, yes.
What is the only book written, claiming to be the word of god? the bible.
So here we have a man who believes in God and the bible.
So, taking the advice and information from the bible, it tells him that There will be a 'faithful and discreet slave class', by the way 'class' is a word I think was invented by JW's, but that's a different story.
'They will be separate from the world', O.K, JW's, fine.
'They will use the Lords name-Jehovah', O.K, JW's, again.
He also believes that they offer the best interpretation of Revelations, that's opinion.
'They will preach to all the inhabited earth', JW's mainly, I think, or at least , he thinks.
Also, whenever he has fallen away and been really low, he has prayed, and he swears that both times, a JW has been at the door, even if they haven't been for months.
He knows they have made mistakes, but he thinks they are too close to what the bible says are the 'chosen ones', that he is willing to stick with them.
OR is he brainwashed?
He's really good at arguing HIS reasons for staying, but he could not convince me , my mum, or my brothers to join him, ever!
Well, that's about it
C Ya
Chris
chrisauld
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Is he brainwashed or....?
by chrisauld inhi everyone, i'd like to tell about my dad's reasons for staying a jw!!.
firstly, does he believe the world was created?, yes.. secondly, does he believe in god?, yes.. what is the only book written, claiming to be the word of god?
the bible.. so here we have a man who believes in god and the bible.. so, taking the advice and information from the bible, it tells him that there will be a 'faithful and discreet slave class', by the way 'class' is a word i think was invented by jw's, but that's a different story.. 'they will be separate from the world', o.k, jw's, fine.. 'they will use the lords name-jehovah', o.k, jw's, again.. he also believes that they offer the best interpretation of revelations, that's opinion.. 'they will preach to all the inhabited earth', jw's mainly, i think, or at least , he thinks.. also, whenever he has fallen away and been really low, he has prayed, and he swears that both times, a jw has been at the door, even if they haven't been for months.. he knows they have made mistakes, but he thinks they are too close to what the bible says are the 'chosen ones', that he is willing to stick with them.. or is he brainwashed?.
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Old Light - New Light: Changes in WT Doctrine
by NewLight2 inwt 12/1/1894 p. 384.
wt 5/1/57 p.274.
wt 11/15/28 p.344.
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Hi, I am not as researched as newlight, but, what about whether they are or are not 'prophets', there was confusion on this as well, I think, u know, 'we are not prophets', then 'we are prophets, something like that.
I think they would argue that their 'discrepencies' were due to the light being given to them gradually, and perhaps they guessed too much.
Who knows what 'cock and bull' they would come up with.
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Hi focus, Nice to meet u.
U do realise that you're wrong, though.
There's a big difference between a JW and an idiot.
yes there is..................I don't know what................but there is...................I'll think of one....................C'mon, give me some time...............I'ts on the tip of my tongue........I'll get back to u!
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I'm just bein' silly
by chrisauld injust to see if people can be bothered to reply to this; if jw's argument for the existence of god is 'just look around you, look at how beautifal and amazing it all is, it must have been created!!
', why do they then not carry that argument on and say 'which means the creator of this amazing planet must be even more amazing, and therefore must have definately been created!!'????.
instead when i asked that question, they just said 'well, u know, if u carry on asking questions like that, u'll end up spinning around in circles, u have to just accept that jehovoid has lived forever', for me it's easier to accept that the world evolved than it is to believe that god has lived forever!!..
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Hi everyone again,
Just to see if people can be bothered to reply to this; If JW's argument for the existence of God is 'Just look around you, look at how beautifal and amazing it all is, it MUST have been created!!', why do they then not carry that argument on and say 'which means the creator of this amazing planet must be even more amazing, and therefore MUST have DEFINATELY been created!!'????
Instead when I asked that question, they just said 'well, u know, if u carry on asking questions like that, u'll end up spinning around in circles, u have to just accept that Jehovoid has lived forever', for me it's easier to accept that the world evolved than it is to believe that God has lived forever!!.
If u ask questions, you're doubting your faith- brainwashing technique or good Christian advice-I dunno?!!?!?
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Thanks
by chrisauld inhi everyone, i just kinda felt the need to say thanks for replying to my posts.
good advice and it's just nice to hear from people that have experienced similarly to me, and who understand.
i don't feel like a complete idiot now, cheers.. speak soon.
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Hi everyone, I just kinda felt the need to say thanks for replying to my posts. Good advice and it's just nice to hear from people that have experienced similarly to me, and who understand. I don't feel like a complete idiot now, cheers.
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Where's the justice?
by chrisauld inhi everyone, one thing that really made me question how 'just' jehovah really is, is how he could kill all the innocent children at the time of armageddon, and yet resurrect a 70 year old man who died a firm atheist????.
also, he would have a distinct advantage, u know, being brought back to life, it would convince me, anyway.. any comments?.
chris.
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Hi everyone, One thing that really made me question how 'just' Jehovah really is, is how he could kill all the innocent children at the time of Armageddon, and yet resurrect a 70 year old man who died a firm ATHEIST????
Also, He would have a distinct advantage, u know, being brought back to life, it would convince me, anyway.
Any comments?
Thanks
ChrisMansword
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False prophets
by chrisauld inhi, i can't remember what scripture it is, but, somewhere it warns of false prophets, there's probably loads of examples.
anyway, jw's are false prophets like the rest of them.
all the predictions for the end of the world never came true.
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HI, I can't remember what scripture it is, but, somewhere it warns of false prophets, there's probably loads of examples. Anyway, JW's are false prophets like the rest of them. All the predictions for the end of the world never came true. They claim that God reveals the 'truth' slowly to them like 'lighting candles, one by one, all adding to the light', but it seems that they have been lighting them, then blowing them out, coz they're wrong!!
Is this God's mistake (surely not) or are they NOT 'prophets' as they DO claim to be.
Is this an 'old hat' point? probably is, never mind...Bye
ChrisMansword
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Problems after JWism
by chrisauld inhi everyone, i'd just lke to see if anyone has experienced any of the problems i have as a result of leaving j-dubs.. i know that it is quite common for people to have anxiety or 'panic' attacks.
these are when a person feels uncomfortable in a certain situation that can result in them feeling as if they are about to die.. i have noticed that since leaving, i have had quite a few of these attacks.
i don't know if it is coinsidence or attributed to.... i tend to get them in social situations, whether it be on a bus, just generally talking to people, walking down the street, eating at tables with people.. i have had to go to the doctor because i have had heart palpitations(fast heart beating).
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Hi everyone, I'd just lke to see if anyone has experienced any of the problems I have as a result of leaving J-Dubs.
I know that it is quite common for people to have anxiety or 'panic' attacks. These are when a person feels uncomfortable in a certain situation that can result in them feeling as if they are about to die.
I have noticed that since leaving, I have had quite a few of these attacks. I don't know if it is coinsidence or attributed to...
I tend to get them in social situations, whether it be on a bus, just generally talking to people, walking down the street, eating at tables with people.
I have had to go to the doctor because I have had heart palpitations(fast heart beating). He (or should I say, I) decided it was to do with stress. I think I have these attacks because I am lacking social skills. Also because I feel I am mixing with people who I once considered 'worse' or even the 'opposition', I now have to respect them. I no longer have that 'I'm gonna live forever and you're gonna die' attitude which, like it or not, gives you a certain confidence about yourself. I haven't said all I wanted to say,so as to not bore you............yet! haha
Please let me know if anyone can relate to my 'problems'
Thanks
ChrisMansword
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Is there life after JW?
by chrisauld inhi everyone, i'm new to this whole internet thing, i always thought that the internet was 'wrong', i guess.
i was just wandering if anyone else was finding it hard to get on in life after deciding that jw's are not the 'truth'.
does anyone else feel the struggle to find a substitute?
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chrisauld
Hi everyone, I'm new to this whole internet thing, I always thought that the Internet was 'wrong', I guess. I was just wandering if anyone else was finding it hard to get on in life after deciding that JW's are not the 'truth'. Does anyone else feel the struggle to find a substitute? I was brought up in it since birth, I stopped going to meetings about 4 years ago, but decided it was the 'false' about 2 years ago. My dad is still firmly 'brainwashed' but my mum left ages ago. I feel bitter about the whole guilt thing and the social separation I endured as a child. I suppose this is common among ex-JW's. I think it is physcologically recognized as 'cognitive dissonance'- the battle between what u now believe to be 'right' as opposed to what you were TOLD was 'right'. Anyone feel the same??
Let me know.
Chris (glad to have freedom of thought)Mansword
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Is there life after JW?
by chrisauld inhi everyone, i'm new to this whole internet thing, i always thought that the internet was 'wrong', i guess.
i was just wandering if anyone else was finding it hard to get on in life after deciding that jw's are not the 'truth'.
does anyone else feel the struggle to find a substitute?
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chrisauld
Hi everyone, I'm new to this whole internet thing, I always thought that the Internet was 'wrong', I guess. I was just wandering if anyone else was finding it hard to get on in life after deciding that JW's are not the 'truth'. Does anyone else feel the struggle to find a substitute? I was brought up in it since birth, I stopped going to meetings about 4 years ago, but decided it was the 'false' about 2 years ago. My dad is still firmly 'brainwashed' but my mum left ages ago. I feel bitter about the whole guilt thing and the social separation I endured as a child. I suppose this is common among ex-JW's. I think it is physcologically recognized as 'cognitive dissonance'- the battle between what u now believe to be 'right' as opposed to what you were TOLD was 'right'. Anyone feel the same??
Let me know.
Chris (glad to have freedom of thought)Mansword