Posts by circare

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To those I love-still asleep

by Seven in

if i listen long enough to you.

i'll find a way to believe that it's all true.

knowing that you lied, straight faced while i cried.

Path. I understand a little of what you're feeling at the moment and I am sorry for your pain. Try not to be too disheartened because the reality is that your family loves you very much. Speaking from the perspective of a parent there is virtually nothing in the world that could sever the love a parent has for their child. As well as that, we have glimpsed a little of your character and personality here on the board and can see that you are a person easy to respect and love. Believe me your parents love you for who you are!

They are just suffering from a great disappointment at this time. It is hard at the moment for them too because for your family this all still new, (it has only been a few months now since you spoke to your Dad, hasn't it?) They haven't really figured out to handle it all yet. They believe that the 'truth' is of great value and will serve you well, and they're disappointed at your rejection of it. They probably feel that because these beliefs are so much a part of who they are that you are rejecting them. Also they may be dealing with a sense of failure, wondering what they have done wrong in bringing you up that has caused this 'lack of faith' and 'falling away'.

On top of that they are suppressing all their instinctive feelings and emotions because they still believe, at this time, that this is what will help you the most. It is going to take some time for them to sort out this out and put everything back into perspective.

For me personally it took my family a while to come to grips with the situation.

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Israel / Palestine ??

by AhHah in

jw
friends

carmel,.

since you are there, care to let us in on what's the deal?

is it primarlily a religious dispute?

circare

Thanks Carmel for that run-down. It is certainly a very diverse group living in a very small area.

Where would these various groups stand in regard to the issues? Which ones would most likely support the Israeli claims, and which ones would be more likely to swing towards the Palestinians?

I would have thought that the Persian, Ethiopian, Russian, and East. European Jews would have been in support of the Israelis.

I did not expect the summit in Egypt to fail so miserably. I wasn't expecting much progress with conditions at such a 'high temperature', but I was not expecting it to deteriorate so quickly. I hope that you are well and safe.

Do you live or work close to the current fighting?

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THE CHILDREN

by Frenchy in

okay here is the sequel to 'farther from heaven' suggested by tr.

hey, maybe he was only kidding, too late it's done!.

"i'm sorry, lenore, but i can't remember my name.

circare

Wow!!!!

Very entertaining Frenchy! I second the motion. Encore. Encore.

Reminds a little of the movie '13th Floor'.

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Israel / Palestine ??

by AhHah in

jw
friends

carmel,.

since you are there, care to let us in on what's the deal?

is it primarlily a religious dispute?

circare

Thanks Zep for directing us to the other interesting sites.

I have been thinking of you daily Carmel, with all the unrest going on, and hoping that you are in no danger. I am glad to read your posts each day.

There is so much I don't understand about the problems in the Middle East area. In reading the stratfor.com site it mentioned the threat internally for the Israelis from their Arab citizenry. Would anyone have the time to explain who the Arab Israelis are?

35

One for the ladies...

by Pathofthorns in

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friends

a post on witnet reminded me of this old question from readers in the 1960's.

(and you thought we were sexist .

*** w61 12/15 767-8 questions from readers ***.

circare

'Princess of Clicks' thankyou for providing the link. I will visit the site as you suggest.

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One for the ladies...

by Pathofthorns in

jw
friends

a post on witnet reminded me of this old question from readers in the 1960's.

(and you thought we were sexist .

*** w61 12/15 767-8 questions from readers ***.

circare

Dear 7,

Again I am in awe of your strength, intelligence and beauty.

You have shown courage in sharing this part of yourself. After the initial shock, I have felt much anger. Why are there those amongst us who must dominate or destroy the things of beauty in this world? I also feel sadness, that you have experienced such pain. If this was perhaps a 'date rape' then you have the hurt from the fact that a measure of trust was given and uncaringly 'tossed into the dirt and trampled on' as well.
I am sorry you received callousness from others, who should have known better, in the aftermath of this traumatic experience.

I am very glad that you have availed yourself of help thru therapy and friendships and that you are healing. How clever of you to seek out the children and spend time with them.

Be assured that your beauty shines clearly here in your posts (and I am sure in all other aspects of your life too).

with much Respect,
circare

36

God and religion etc..............................

by Zep in

the communist world, it may be noted, has one big myth (which we call an illusion, in the vain hope that our superior judgment will make it disappear) it is the time hallowed archetypal dream of a golden age (or paradise), where everything is provided in abundance for everyone, and a great, just, and wise chief rules over a human kindergarten.

this powerful archetype in its infantile form has gripped them, but it will never disappear from the world at the mere sight of our superior points of view.

we even support it by our own childishness, for our western civilisation is in the grip of the same mythology.

circare

Frenchy I want to investigate.

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God and religion etc..............................

by Zep in

the communist world, it may be noted, has one big myth (which we call an illusion, in the vain hope that our superior judgment will make it disappear) it is the time hallowed archetypal dream of a golden age (or paradise), where everything is provided in abundance for everyone, and a great, just, and wise chief rules over a human kindergarten.

this powerful archetype in its infantile form has gripped them, but it will never disappear from the world at the mere sight of our superior points of view.

we even support it by our own childishness, for our western civilisation is in the grip of the same mythology.

circare

Ditto Path, I find life around us fascinating. The human body and psyche, the world, the universe and all the possible concepts associated - simply amazing! I prefer to see them as evidence of a higher intelligence as compared to concepts like evolution.

7 you make a good point, definitely Jesus life and ministry holds a lot of food for thought. Although examining that, in my mind, gets all tangled up with the consideration of whether the bible is God's word or not.

What an interesting statement Zep, that the 'instinct or desire to believe is more than enough of a basis to believe.'. I like your attitude here. However, obviously the desire to have or see something a particular way does not mean that it is that way. I'm not sure at this stage how to believe just because I would like it to be.

Like you waiting, I think that a sense of well being comes directly under one's own influence with or without a belief in God. Yes to get that balanced perspective! Every time I think I might be getting close, someone comes along with a different perspective, and shakes things up again. I sometimes think life is like those 'sand pictures'. Where are the absolutes to pin everything on? Or doesn’t it matter anyway?

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Looking for someone

by Maxee in

hi every one i have started a new job so my time is limited on the net.

(broken relationship property settlement he took everthing including computors) .

is any one interested in being my email friend.

circare

G'day Nelly, I like your nick.

35

Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

by spectromize in

jw
friends

one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

(while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

circare

RF the only references I can find in the JW publications about the Catholic Church and their business dealings were ones speaking of dishonest business (and dealings with the 'gangster elements'), and commercial dealings that were to further political ambitions.

I am sure if we have a chance to compare notes, there would be a lot of similarities in our growing up, don't you think? I remember going thru' the BTG book at the book-study too. I enjoyed the first part with the history, but not the second part on the application and fulfilment. How about you? The references in this book to the CC have mainly to do with the doctrinal teachings. There are references to Christendom and commerce, where it discusses the scripture in Rev., regarding the merchants moaning the loss of their religious markets with the fall of BTG . The BTG book refers to the three areas of Satan's world as being religion, politics and commerce and warns about involvement with the world. However commonsense would tell us here that involvement with commerce would have to be relative involvement. We all have to make a living, we all have to purchase foodstuffs etc. and pay our taxes, because of the commercial nature of the society we live in I don't think any witnesses can survive without some involvement.

I found most of the references in the JW publications in regard to the Catholic Church are with regard to their political involvement and their history.

I am still not sure that there is hypocrisy in an organisation based in an affluent country being affluent.

Personally I see the buildings and real estate as being a part of the running and organising of the publishing and preaching work. To me any 'profits', from the cost of actual printing of the publications, would have to cover the buildings for the printing presses, the buildings for the administration, the buildings for the housing of the volunteer labour, and the day to day living costs of caring for all of the above. I personally do not begrudge any of the so-called 'profits' from the magazines or books going to cover these related costs.

Waiting I always enjoy your posts, you have such a 'wicked' sense of humour. I tend to be rather serious with my posts and some of the subjects we get into are 'heavy', so I love the way you lighten things up around here.