It would be easier to ask ...
Were there any truths?
... and the answer would be no.
Wild_Thing
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what's the worst?
by bonnzo inwhat's the worst thing you've ever heard of an elder or ms doing and getting away with it?
i'll post mine in a while.
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Wild_Thing
child abuse
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ARE YOU STRANGE TOO ???
by vitty ini knew i was a little odd, when i noticed it was only me who seemed to read magazines, starting at the back and working my way to the front.. but the other day, i realized when on this forum, that i always start at the bottom of the page of topics and work my way up to the top!!!!!!!!!.
i know strange but true.
have any of you got a strange foilble?.
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Wild_Thing
Hmmm ... what does this mean? I also read magazines from back to front AND read forums from bottom to top! Does this mean I am odd too???????
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My Stupid JW Mother and her Circular/Warped Reasoning
by Wild_Thing ini am so upset right now that i cannot even get my thoughts clear enough to explain what just happened.
i just know i need to vent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
background: my 17 yr. old neice doesn't want to be a witness.
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Is she planning on taking your advice and pursuing education?
She has yet to take my advice on this. She was an A-B student and she was even in the gifted program at her school, now she is failing and will likely NOT be a senior next year. Like I said she is digging her hole deeper. I is giving me lip service that she realized that now and "she'll do better" but I will not believe it until I see it. There are just too many other factors that enter into the equation. I wrote a little more about her situation if you want to read it on this thread:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/87166/1.ashx
I have so much more to say, but I don't have time!
I know I need to tread carefully or they will cut off association, which I why I continually reassure them that I have not and will not persuade or encourage her to leave, only "vent" etc. I do try to give her hope, though, but at this age she cannot see beyond what is 10 feet in front of her. My neice will need to realize that will have to step up to the plate and take charge of her own future no matter what it is.
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My Stupid JW Mother and her Circular/Warped Reasoning
by Wild_Thing ini am so upset right now that i cannot even get my thoughts clear enough to explain what just happened.
i just know i need to vent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
background: my 17 yr. old neice doesn't want to be a witness.
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I am so upset right now that I cannot even get my thoughts clear enough to explain what just happened. I just know I need to VENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Background: My 17 yr. old neice doesn't want to be a Witness. (My mother told me that she would not even be considering it if *I* had not left. Yeah for me!) So basically, the fam is insisting that she go to the meetings and she is not allowed to have "worldly" friends. She is forced to have a "study" with my mother every week so she can "examine" for herself the "truths". The flip side of this is that my neice has a lot of emotional problems due to having the crappiest parents on earth, and so is pretty imature about a lot of things. Basically, she has taken the stance that if they won't allow her to have any freedom in that area, then she is going to rebel in all other areas. And by rebel, I do not mean anything serious. I mean she will not clean her room, go to school willingly, do any school work, or anything else. I think she is extremely depressed, and is it any wonder???? She is shooting herself in the foot, but she just doens't see it. The family is taking the other extreme. Basically, if she will not make friends with Witnesses, then she cannot any friends period.
SO NOW TODAY:
My mother called me and told me that I need to be careful about letting my neice "play" me. She said she *knows* <my neice> has been coming to me and telling me *her* side of things. My mother said she is only coming to me because she knows she will get my sympathy and <my neice> will go to anybody to get sympathy. I said, "Who else CAN she go to talk about it?"My mother said she can go to talk to any of the family about it (who are are all JWs). And I said, "And will they listen and try to help?"
She said, "Well, they won't give her sympathy like she wants if that's what you're asking! Like I said she only comes to YOU for sympathy." I again told her, "Like I said, who else CAN she go to?"
My mother tried to tell me that <my neice> is refusing to even *try* to be friends with any of the witnesses. I told her that is because she doesn't want to be a Witness, she doesn't fit in with the Witness kids, and she wouldn't be allowed to associate with them beyond a superficial friendship anyway because she is considered "weak." She again tried to tell me that I am only getting one side of it. So then what is the other side?
Well apparently, <my neice> DOES have the option to have worldly friends *IF* she will make friends with witnesses first for a certain period of time and *TRY* to be a Witness. This is all according to my mother.
So we ended up going around and around and around about all us and never really got anywhere! I kept asking, "So are you saying that she could have non-JW and she is just not choosing to? I think we should tell because she told me that she does not even try anymore because she knows she's not allowed." This and similar questions were never answered with a straight YES or NO. It was always, "There is more to it than that." or "The question isn't that simple." Whatever!
I told her I wish the family would focus more on helping my neice see the need to be a good, descent, responsible person, regardless if she is a JW or not, instead of just focusing on making go to meeting etc. and go through the motions. Again, she would start talking in circles again, basically saying that is what they are TRYING to do and <my neice> is just won't even try to study, blah, blah, blah. I said, "Did you even HEAR what I just said?" She said she did so I asked her to repeat it back.
"You think that we should make her go to meetings and give her more freedom." NO!!!!!! "Listen carefully! I said I think you focus more on helping her become a good responsible person instead of just thinking it will happen automatically if she goes through the motions of being a Witness."
She said, "Well, you are trying to separate the two and you just can't do that." In other words, if she is Witness, she will be a good responsible person. I GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My neice's mother (also my sister through no fault of my own) has told her that as long as she lives under her roof she will have to be witness. So my neice has two options. Be a witness or get out.
Throughout the conversation, I would try to say something, like, "The harder you put your thumb on her, the harder she is going to buck." or when my mother trying she does have more choice, I said, "So when she does become old enough to make that decision, are you going to try to emotionally blackmail her to be a witness like you did me?" "Again," she said, "make sure you are not confusing *her* with *you*. That is how *you* view it ... as emotional blackmail." I said, "Oh, that is EXACTLY what it was."
I ended it by telling her that she need not worry about me talking to <my neice> and encouraging her not to be witness. I never have. SERIOUSLY! I told her she has come to me on a handful of occasions and I just listen and let her vent. I do tell her that there will come a day when she will have a choice and she has to start preparing for it now by taking her education seriously, etc. so she will be able to have more options later. I just try to give her hope that it will not always be her being the kid under their authority. I didn't tell my mother that.
There is actually a lot more that happened about in the conversation later that made me more upset than this issue with me neice, but this is getting so long, I should save it for another post.
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Pardon My Ignorance....
by Englishman in..but what's the current situation regarding the governing body?.
who's on it, who's the wt president now..in short, what's going on over there?.
englishman.
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Wild_Thing
http://www.freeminds.org/history/listofgbmembers.htm
This is the most recent list I could find. I do not think there have been any further additions since then, but am not sure.
As far as what the heck is going on over there? I don't know but it can't be good!
By the way, I know they have their one obligatory black person on the governing body. Why don't they just go ahead and rename him "Token" like the black kid on South Park!
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Religious Poll & Your Thoughts
by Valis ini was thinking of doing a poll of our users about religions.
what i would like is for you to submit a question or two about a particular facet of a religion/it's org and a number from 1 to 10 on how important it might be if you were considering any particular religion.
if someone answered your question and gave a number please try to come up with a new one or recommend your own number for their question.
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Wild_Thing
W_T, I will confess that my query comes from earlier threads today. IMO it isn't just as simple as one religion having what they call "the truth", but moreso what appeals to one as far as being part of an organized religion. For instance, my roomie found a Catholic church where he could work in their offices and help in the food pantry. Those were just as important to him as going to services.
Right! I actually had that in mind when I wrote the question. There is more to belonging to a religion than just believing in its dogma. I guess maybe it might be better worded as what religion could you live with, if you had to?
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Whats the WEIRDEST/FUNNIEST teaching of the WTBTS?
by Pwned inmaking women put a napkin on their head in the presence of a male to say a prayer or whatever.
that always made me laugh.
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Aluminum is dangerous! And Shaklee is good!!!
weirdos
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Religious Poll & Your Thoughts
by Valis ini was thinking of doing a poll of our users about religions.
what i would like is for you to submit a question or two about a particular facet of a religion/it's org and a number from 1 to 10 on how important it might be if you were considering any particular religion.
if someone answered your question and gave a number please try to come up with a new one or recommend your own number for their question.
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Wild_Thing
I'm not sure I understand your number system or maybe I'm just too drunk!
But here is a question that I think would be great to poll and would love to know what others would say:
If you were FORCED to belong to a religion ... any religion ... what religion (even relunctantly) would you choose? It has to be a RECOGNIZED religion ... "Church of Valis" or anything silly like that doesn't count!
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Is our society changing ........... becoming more religiously polarized?
by tyydyy ini realize that it's entirely possible that i'm seeing things from my own perspective only but i've noticed a increasingly powerful voice speaking for religious thoughts in world politics.
are we seeing a return to a victorian age?
am i just paranoid?
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Wild_Thing
Is the general public showing it's tacit approval?
I think they are, but not intentionally. A lot of Americans are just not involved. They go about their daily life and do little more than bitch and complain about how things are (or are becoming). It has always been this way (at least for many many years), but the difference is that I see a big movement in right-wing religions getting involved in government and politics, and *the rest of us* are just now starting to look around and say WTF?
Albert Einstein said that Americans will put with anything provided it doesn't block traffic! I think this so true! Americans have to feel it (what "it" is) impact their daily lives enough before most of us will even feel complelled to do anything about it.