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  The great 1914 turn around

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i must say there is no other religion in modern times that has lied more to their cult followers than the watchtower company and no more brain dead, gullible cult members than the jdubs.. just three examples.

  when russel was in charge 1914 was prophesied to be the end of the system of things with armageddon and the earthly paradise.

  that didn't happen and poof now 1914 was not the end, oh no, it was the beginning of the end.. the second example, the generation that saw 1914 would not pass away before the end came, which meant in all jdubs minds that paradise had to be here in the late 1990's.

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  How can the JDubs still worship in a religion that has lied to them so much and bow down and kiss the ring of the 8 popes in New York who are like self-licking ice cream cones?

  Because they don't know they are being lied to. The Borg does a great job of controlling what information their members consume. If you never allow yourself to be exposed to alternative points or view, or an alternative narrative for your religion that is different than what you have been fed, you will remain captive to their lies.

  I don't think most of their current members are aware of the extensive date setting for Armageddon that has occurred in the Watchtower's past. And they won't allow themselves to hear about it because they are told that anyone that utters a criticism about the Borg must be opposers, apostates, or whatever current buzz word they are using to label anyone they view as dissenters.

  BTW ... props on the "the 8 popes in New York who are like self-licking ice cream cones" comment. Its spot on.
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  Healing & Rebuilding Your Life - Feedback Wanted

  by jp1692 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been invited to speak at an international cultic studies association workshop this fall.

  i could use your help in focusing on my presentation subject.. these workshops are for former members of any cult or other high-control, authoritarian group, not just jehovah's witnesses.

  last year, i spoke at one of their larger conferences in europe.

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  Wild_Thing

  1. Dealing With Isolation and Loneliness (shunning)
  2. The Five Stages of Grief/loss (Kübler-Ross model) - I think this could be covered in combination with shunning.
  3. Examining Our Beliefs: Identifying the false and harmful (dysfunctional) core beliefs which are the root cause of our on-going difficulties after leaving
  4. Discovering Your Authentic Self - (personal identity)
  5. Treatments & Interventions - seeking treatments from working with mental health professionals to self-help
  6. Dealing With Isolation and Loneliness (shunning)

  First left 17 years ago. Officially DA'd 2 years ago.
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  The Samuel Herd story may 8 wt mag

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i talked to this simple man once in florida, where racial tension linger.

  i can see why a sympathetic worker with a proven record as pioneer would end up in the top ranks, the hope being, that his effectiveness would rub off on the enterprise.

  it shows that whoever runs wt does not count on the governing body to really run the enterprise.

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  Does anyone know how old Samuel Herd is? What year he was born?

  The watchtower article says he was baptized 9 months after his first meeting. That kind of time frame has always amazed me. I know it was common back then, but it is still pretty amazing to me how someone can completely devote their life to living as a JW after that short of a time span.

  As for being black ... it is hard not to think that he is the "Token" of the Governing Body. He doesn't seem to have much sway or power, which also leads to the belief that he may just be there for "variety". It is kind of amazing when you think about it ... a very large percentage of their members are black. Very unusual for a denomination started by white men.

  They are growing by leaps and bounds in African countries. I wonder if the new converts truly realize they are following a group of white men ... and Herd.
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  11 new things made illegal in a relationship

  by Amelia Ashton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was subjected to more than one of these whilst married.

  a partner should be treated as an equal.

  i wonder how that will work out in a jw household?.

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  Wild_Thing

  I read the rules. Sounds like a typical JW marriage to me.
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  Ministerial to Advance Religious Freedom

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  trump’s state department is having all sorts of religions and groups from around the world meet for discussions on how to insure that they have freedoms.. i wonder if jehovah’s witnesses will be there..

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  With Trump's ties to Russia, perhaps they might.
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  Great show! "You can't ask that! Former cult members"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. social
  2. current

  this is a great episode of a very candid and well produced australian tv show called "you can't ask that".

  this episode focuses on cults.

  while it doesn't speak about jws, we will relate to many points it raises.. http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/you-cant-ask-that/le1717h003s00.

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  I'm guessing it will only play in certain countries. :(
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  I Think There Should Be Laws Against Political Discrimination

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think it’s terrible and simply wrong not to serve a person in a restaurant simply because you disagree with their political views.

  i think that when a uber driver dumps a car load of people simply because they speak amongst themselves about politics that the driver doesn’t agree with—-it’s discrimination!

  this type of discrimination will cost people their lives someday!.

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  The difference is that the other examples of discrimination that are against the law is about who you are, and not what you think. You cannot change your race, sexual orientation (presumably), or age. You can change your political ideas ... they're just thoughts.

  Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that no one should discriminate against you for your political ideas, but what you call discriminate, other people may call taking a stand against something they strongly believe in. It really is such a fine line, I don't see how they could make a law about people's political views.

  If I had a restaurant and you came in wearing your Trump hat, even though I detest him, I would have no problem serving you. I understand that other businesses would not, so I would gladly take the business from them and spread the word. Again, vote with your dollars, advertise with your mouth ... no law needed.

  However, if you are otherwise being a jerk about spouting your ideas in my restaurant or harassing customers, I would probably ask you to leave. If you are a person that is directly involved in doing something that I find morally reprehensible (like the Sec. of Homeland Security separating families at the border and putting them in kiddie cages), I would definitely tell you to go eat somewhere else. You may call that a political issue, but I would call it a moral issue. I feel like that would be my right as a business owner. It would probably lose me customers to take a stand in that a manner, but I would have to decide what is more important to me ... using my business to take a stand on an issue, or serving you anyway.

  And if you don't think businesses should take a stand on moral issues, go talk to Hobby Lobby. They took their moral issue all the way to the Supreme Court and won.
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  I Think There Should Be Laws Against Political Discrimination

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think it’s terrible and simply wrong not to serve a person in a restaurant simply because you disagree with their political views.

  i think that when a uber driver dumps a car load of people simply because they speak amongst themselves about politics that the driver doesn’t agree with—-it’s discrimination!

  this type of discrimination will cost people their lives someday!.

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  Wild_Thing

  Example: I want to go with my family to a restaurant and I am denied service because I work and support Trump who happens to be a politician.

  Vote with your dollars. Go to a different restaurant. If everyone would do that, the businesses that discriminate would quickly disappear.
  
  
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  I Think There Should Be Laws Against Political Discrimination

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think it’s terrible and simply wrong not to serve a person in a restaurant simply because you disagree with their political views.

  i think that when a uber driver dumps a car load of people simply because they speak amongst themselves about politics that the driver doesn’t agree with—-it’s discrimination!

  this type of discrimination will cost people their lives someday!.

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  Wild_Thing

  For someone who leans toward conservative, minimus, I am surprised you are advocating for more laws.

  The laws against racial, sexual, and gender discrimination is already on the books and we seem to have a hard time as Americans enforcing THAT law. I can't imagine trying to enforce a discrimination law against what people THINK. (meaning their political views). It seems it would be very hard to prove someone's thoughts and that you were discriminated against because of them.
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  A concise list for my therapist...any suggestions?

  by Straw Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  been a lurker here for a long time.

  i am just now starting to deal with the issues from my witness upbringing.

  it's been about 10 years since i was df'd.. just recently i started to see a therapist and i am trying to get across the depth of the effects of growing up a witness.

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  Wild_Thing

  What OTWO said. The BITE model is the best way to measure whether a group is a cult or not.