Posts by careful

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The Muppets in Charge of the Org

by OrphanCrow in

i found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .

2018-Annual Service Report!

by Atlantis in

if this has already been posted just disregard.. 2018 annual service report one in english and one in spanish.

other news included.

zipped folder.

careful

The comments here are good—the OP has even brought SBF out of the woodwork!

Just a thought: since the pioneer numbers are up, do you think the cart work was designed to do just that, make it easier to get in the required number of hours by sitting in a chair texting and reading instead of doing the real preaching and teaching work? If so, it would be a rare instance of the GB actually planning something out instead of just being reactive.

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2018-Annual Service Report!

by Atlantis in

if this has already been posted just disregard.. 2018 annual service report one in english and one in spanish.

other news included.

zipped folder.

careful

Thanks, Atlantis, for the early leak of Spain's info.

Of course, an increasing number of pioneers is expected if they can get huge portions of their FS time sitting at carts while texting and reading instead of actually preaching to the people.

But what is absent is more telling than what is present in the report. They do not discuss the number of congregations or KHs, do they? When discussing the limited number of figures that they choose to highlight, few comparisons are made with previous years (like baptisms, Memorial attendance, "Bible studies"). The implied average size of a cong now seems to be just 70, instead of the 100 or so that it used to be when we were in.

These highly selective statistics are their latest spin. It will be interesting to look at the full report and document both the continuing negative trend we've seen in previous years in most Western lands and what countries have joined those places in going into decreases. Wouldn't it be telling if they began listing things like "average age" of Witnesses, lawsuits filed, lawsuits settled, legal expenses and payouts for child abuse? Fat chance of that!

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Archaeologists discover ancient 4,400-year-old tomb decorated with hieroglyphs in Egypt

by naja in

how could this survive noah's flood?.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/archaeologists-discover-ancient-4400-year-13737092.

careful

Thanks for the link!

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Question—does anyone know...?

by careful in

most here are familiar with the history of the child abuse issue.

one past policy the org had was forbidding parents to report the child abuser to police or warn other parents in the congregation of the abuser.

they used to threaten dfing if such parents disobeyed the org in this matter.

careful

Most here are familiar with the history of the child abuse issue. One past policy the org had was forbidding parents to report the child abuser to police or warn other parents in the congregation of the abuser. They used to threaten DFing if such parents disobeyed the org in this matter. That may have worked with most married couples who were both in the org, but what about the case of an abused child whose mom was in but whose dad was not? Would not in all likelihood the husband/father has been rightly pissed off that "Bro. Abuser" was not brought before the law because of his wife's crazy religion?

I find it difficult to believe that this never occurred somewhere. Surely it must have. So does anyone know what was done in such cases? Was the sister counseled to keep knowledge of the abuse from her unbelieving husband? The victim too? Did the elders try to talk the husband/father out of going to the cops? What happened?

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

careful

johnamos,

Yes, that's the kind of thing I meant when I said that the new GB don't think things out. They make a major doctrinal change without even considering such notions as future potential problems with their new view or interpretation. Duhhhh!

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

careful

AorN,

he holds the view that as the light gets brighter it gets more simple

Yeah, because the current leaders are so simple!

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JW GoneBad, LV101, Saltheart - Thank You!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

we thank you so much for thinking of us and showing concern.

this means a lot to us and we appreciate your kindness.. we have been here, but we have been contacting ones here on the board privately.

when new materials arrive we sign in and distribute the documents to those that show interest.

careful

Atlantis,

Thanks so much for the recent links. I wondered what had happened to you. Your informative posts are always welcome.

I DLed the directories and looked them over. I don't suppose you have anything for NY that's more current, beyond the 2015 one? It looks like that latest one was put together while some were already up constructing at Warwick but most had not yet moved there. I looked at several names I knew when I was in to see if they're still there. I noticed that in 2015 David Ianelli was listed as working in the Writing Dept. (his work extension is close to others in the WD in number sequence) but there was no residence room phone number or room location. I suppose then that he must have been living elsewhere and commuting in. Do you or anyone else know what the story is here? Did he make the move to Warwick?

I also see that Geoffrey Jackson's wife's name is Loraini (same shared residence room phone number), so statements/posts made here about him having married are now confirmed.

There's a lot to be learned from these lists.

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Name of the fictional "Novel" published by jf Rutherford

by NikL in

jw
friends

well i consider all of his books fictional but that's another story :-).

a while back i read about a novel that i understood was published by wt and there was some sort of connection with da judge.. i remember i found it online and was going to look through it but never got the chance.. now i can't find it and for the life of me i can't remember the name of it or the author.. unfortunately, google isn't helping.. it was about life before the flood.. anyone able to help?.

thanks in advance.

careful

A post here from a few years ago stated that GB member Sam Herd positively referred to this book in a talk he gave. There were two links to that talk but they've now died.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/188233/gb-samuel-herd-on-angels-women

Too bad. The past intellectual poster and researcher here Leolaia posted more info about this book on the OP too.

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

careful

What am I missing?

Hopefully this will help:

The policy of doing something so theologically radical as wiping out the type/anti-type theology that had reigned under Fred Franz for decades but not thinking out the consequences (= replacing it with something else) just points out, yet again, the severe mental limitations of the current GB. Their doctrinal "expert" is David Splane, who is certainly no Fred Franz in the brain department.

But they seem to understand that such things as logical thinking really do not matter. They've got a captive audience of millions who will just do whatever they are told, believe whatever they are told, and so on. Why bother with logic?