Posts by careful

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CHILD MOLESTATION: How have they been able to hide it for so long?

by Zoos in

i was in the organization until 2011. .

i n-e-v-e-r heard of this problem.

not even a whisper.

careful

Thanks, blondie. I knew of the policy regarding criminal law when I was in during the 70s and 80s. I knew one bro who was ex-Mafia and another who was ex-gang member. Both had committed serious crime before conversion but did serve as elders (a little different from what that letter said). The thinking was that since Jehovah had forgiven them, who is the organization to question Jehovah's mercy?

Once that practice was in place, it is easy to see that when the child abuse problem came along, the same "don't tell" policy was adopted. Then when the "no reproach on Jehovah's name" dynamic is factored in, voila, we see the reasons behind the policy that has got them in such hot water now.

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I genuinely burst out laughing.................

by The Fall Guy in

...when i read a reply to an email which i sent to a devout couple of jw's, showing the luxurious accommodation which "vows of poverty" jw's have been living in.. https://ibsaproperty.com.

the reply began by apologising for their "bad french.

" brilliant!

careful

This is precious—"vow of poverty" indeed!

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Where now for the UK Society Big Wigs?

by dozy in

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i see top uk jw lawyer richard cook is finally having to move out of his jw "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.

https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/.

https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/.

careful

Zeb, I'm not sure but I think it is Ministerial Training School (?). No doubt a major indoctrination session of loyalty to the organization. Val2020: It's difficult to decipher who the "he" and "him" are in your comments. Does your somebody have the dirt on Cook or vice versa?

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Where now for the UK Society Big Wigs?

by dozy in

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friends

i see top uk jw lawyer richard cook is finally having to move out of his jw "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.

https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/.

https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/.

careful

Does anyone else find this particularly brash/impudent/disingenuous/nauseating?

'Richard Cook, solicitor for the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, said: "We are disappointed with the decision, particularly since the court accepted expert evidence that Jehovah's Witnesses in the late 1980s and early 1990s were ahead of their time in addressing the issue of child sexual abuse.
"For decades we have warned congregants and parents of the dangers of child abuse and have published information to help parents safeguard their children. We will continue to do so."'

"Ahead of their time ... in addressing the issue of child sexual abuse"? Are you kidding? "Theocratic strategy" to be sure!

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Article: Window for Child Victims Act sex-abuse lawsuits opens Wednesday: What it means

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/08/window-for-child-victims-act-sex-abuse-lawsuits-opens-wednesday-what-it-means.html on friday, attorney irwin zalkin held a news conference in manhattan announcing that two alleged victims, heather steele and michael ewing, will file lawsuits in state supreme court in brooklyn on wednesday.

the lawsuits will name as defendants eight members of the governing body of the jehovah’s witnesses (jws).

now located in tuxedo park, n.y., the jws world headquarters occupied a building with a large watchtower sign in brooklyn.

careful

So is the heat on them in a new way?

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Patterson renovation—new donation boxes

by careful in

over at reddit a post has appeared stating that a letter was read at this week's clam meeting announcing renovation work at the patterson compound, er, site:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cmz8t5/announcement_patterson_is_being_renovated_extra/.

does it strike anyone as odd that at a time of pretty extreme belt-tightening the gb is undertaking another costly building project?

careful

Aren't all the Service Dept., Legal Dept., and all the schools there? That is a substantial collection. Surely they cannot easily move all that to Warwick. As I understand it, Walkill is largely the official US Branch office now.

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JW Broadcast For August

by APieceOfShitNamedTate in

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okay i'll admit that what i'm about to ask is a little silly.

this is the kind of stuff that crosses over into tinfoil hat territory, but you can't help but notice it.. did anyone else see gary breaux in this month's broadcast doing that weird "hand diamond" thing over his bible?

he was also wearing a pinky ring.

careful

APOSNT: THIS is a funny thread, especially that 'opinion' lesson.

Have you considered that perhaps it's simple case of brown-nosing? That is, Gary Breaux is imitating a mannerism of one member of the GB because he is currying favor with that one and wants in the club, or at least their further approval?

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Patterson renovation—new donation boxes

by careful in

over at reddit a post has appeared stating that a letter was read at this week's clam meeting announcing renovation work at the patterson compound, er, site:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cmz8t5/announcement_patterson_is_being_renovated_extra/.

does it strike anyone as odd that at a time of pretty extreme belt-tightening the gb is undertaking another costly building project?

careful

Over at Reddit a post has appeared stating that a letter was read at this week's CLAM meeting announcing renovation work at the Patterson ~~compound~~, er, site:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cmz8t5/announcement_patterson_is_being_renovated_extra/

Does it strike anyone as odd that at a time of pretty extreme belt-tightening the GB is undertaking another costly building project? Of course, this does give the opportunity to ask for more money.

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Obituaries

by truthlover123 in

a letter was read this week from the platform stating that publishers should not scour the obituaries and respond to the websites for condolences messaging.

apparently, it is not being taken too well by family and friends and the pubs are asked to refrain from sending a message if they are not friends or family of the deceased.. i recall one sister used to visit grave yard sites and if she saw individuals there, went over and "consoled" them by offering the tract on death and your loved ones.

i cannot even think of how i would have received her, being in my space and thinking she could do that.. apparently they have graduated by reading the obits..

careful

This is such a tactless thing to do. The fact that some R&F Witnesses have to be told not to do it just shows how brainless so many Witnesses are.

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HOW MUCH OF THIS IS BELIEVABLE

by Hairtrigger in

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/ossuary-james-0012181.

careful

OK, I've got to comment on this one. First, whoever is responsible for the link in the OP (perhaps the entire site?) is a Witness. Quotations from the Bible have "Jehovah" in the NT and "exercise faith," a unique Freddie Franz/NWT rendering.

Second, there was an interesting lawsuit in Israel regarding this artifact. The best summary of it, with implications as to the ossuary's authenticity, is in a 21-page appendix in Pieter van der Horst's 2015 book Saxa judaica loquunter: Lessons from Early Jewish Inscriptions (Brill). The Latin in the title means "Jewish stones speak." Van der Horst is a top-notch Dutch scholar who has no interest in biblical faith or apologetics. The value of his contribution is in exposing how, as revealed through the Israeli court case, many of the claims of inauthenticity "were inspired by the fear of being misrepresented as ‘uncritical’ by colleagues” (p. 87). In other words, bona fide scholars jumped on the bandwagon of calling the artifact a fake because they were afraid of being labeled apologetic believers. Nowhere does van der Horst argue for the ossuary’s authenticity, but he certainly does contend for a truly unprejudiced investigation of it.