Posts by careful

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Mormon Baptizing the dead??

by James Mixon in

why the big controversy over baptizing the dead, they are dead folks..i know it's a quirky practice but jewish leaders are up in arms because the lds leaders are baptizing holocaust victims..what harm is it??

?hell jw's are preaching everyone will go up in flames no one believe that crap except jw but no one is up in arms, they know they walk a different step....the lds leaders agreed to halt baptisms specifically of jews holocaust victims in 2010 but they are at it again, baptizing jews.

this is funny as hell to me.

careful

Not that I'm defending the Mormons, but facts can be helpful. If you read 1 Cor. 15:29—not in the NWT, you can perhaps see why the LDS people feel the way they do. As for Jews objecting, they might consider that the practice of ritualistically doing things for the dead went on in their own tradition too. At 2 Maccabees 12:39-45 Judas Maccabee atones for the sinful dead by sacrifice.

One cannot help but wonder if certain Jews of today are more upset by a group of professed Christians "invading" the Jewish sphere of something many Jews consider holy and thus exclusively their domain.

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Anthony Morris - The Higher Education Broadcast

by pale.emperor in

last night i had jw broadcasting on in the background while i was working, i like to keep up to date with their crap.

which is strange because when i actually was a jw i hated reading or watching their material.. anyway, on the streaming section, anthony morris comes on screen telling me that higher education is bad and "the better the university, the greater the danger".

i never would have believed it if i hadn't seen him say it myself.

careful

Evidently this would never have been hammered on like it is now under GB 2 back when GB 1 was in charge. Fred Franz, Bert Schroeder, and Lloyd Barry had all studied at universities. Only now with the total ignoramuses completely at the helm have Tony Morris types been given free rein.

Of course, in antiquity there were no modern-type universities, but the fact is that the apostle Paul, who was used more mightily in writing NT books and distilling early Christian theology than anyone else, had the ancient equivalent of a college education. He studied under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), who is portrayed positively in Acts 5, and the Roman official Festus accused Paul of too much learning (Acts 26:24). The style of his writings is certainly above others such as Matthew, Mark, or John.

Doubtless Tony has taken all this under consideration...

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Reading Journal To Bethel

by Cold Steel in

ray publisherer interviewed one-time bethelite peon "brock talon" about four years ago and i'm now reading talon's book journey to bethel.

for those of you who may not be jws (and even those who were and are), that journey provides a fascinating insight into the pecking order at "god's house"... at least how it was in the early 80s.

and it's a book even the rank-and-file faithful would find amusing.

careful

For those who may not be aware, at this forum Brock Talon posted as LivingTheDream. That way you can look at his old posts if you wish, including his 25 "Memories," evidently some of the core of his book. He posted here from 6 to 3 years ago, when he stopped.

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New Tactic for Jehovah's Witnesses

by compound complex in

jw
friends

bbc's comments on the trolley/cart work:.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28166192.

careful

Thanks for the link.

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Red Alert - Propaganda is Being Used!!!!!!!!

by The Searcher in

check out the latest watchtower:.

"your defense?

be determined to stick to jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface.

careful

They must really be getting worried. While they have always used the "imperfect men" excuse there seems to be a tinge of desperation to it now ...
Even if people have no exposure to apostate activism they are still waking up all on their own, WT has to be aware of this trend.

Spot on, sparrowdown!

I remember back in the mid-80s when there was the harsh crackdown in WT literature following the exit of RF and others from Brooklyn. One brother who was very experienced in the org said to me, "They are really running scared now." The same principle is at work again. As to your last question, surely there must further skeletons in the closet.

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EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

by careful in

first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

careful

Simon, I checked a dozen reports. All agree that the lawsuit stems from a Moslem woman, Samira Achbita, who brought the suit in Belgian court.

In the NY Times coverage of the matter, there is this observation:

“It is a very bold step,” said Camino Mortera-Martinez, a research fellow at the Center for European Reform in Brussels, describing the ruling as a landmark decision, if also a political and pragmatic one. “Recently we have seen the court being much more attentive to the political winds rather than being so legalistic, because of the recognition that the E.U. is at risk of collapse.”

(https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/world/europe/headscarves-ban-european-court.html?_r=0)

Certainly food for thought. I am struck with how Europe has been changing when it comes to civil liberties. What ever happened to "liberté, égalité, fraternité"?

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EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

by careful in

first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

careful

EO, many religious people feel their religious beliefs carry over to all aspects of their lives, including their places of employment. I do not wear any religious symbols to work or elsewhere, but should a Jew be forced to take off his kippah or a Catholic woman her cross?

crofty, So should a Jewish receptionist have to take off his kippah?

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EU court upholds an employer's right to ban religious symbols

by careful in

first i should say that i do not like islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the moslem treatment of women.

still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including moslems, trumps my personal preferences.

also, living in america, i evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than i see in recent years in continental europe, something that continues to baffle me.. today the european court of justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of jws, has decreed that it is ok for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

careful

First I should say that I do not like Islam for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the Moslem treatment of women. Still, the free exercise of anyone's peaceful observance of their religion, including Moslems, trumps my personal preferences. Also, living in America, I evidently enjoy a greater degree of religious liberty than I see in recent years in continental Europe, something that continues to baffle me.

Today the European Court of Justice, the same group that has stood up for the rights of JWs, has decreed that it is OK for employers to ban the wearing of religious symbols among employees.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/14/top-eu-court-rules-employers-can-ban-visible-religious-symbols-including-islamic-headscarves/99156814/

Obviously the target is the hijab, but one can only wonder if Jewish yarmulkes or kippot (men's skull caps) will be next. Then what about all the "JWdotOrg" jewelry among Witnesses? It has rapidly come to be for JWs what the cross has long been for Catholics and mainstream Protestants.

Your thoughts?

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Propaganda video from the society. How are your donations used?

by stuckinarut2 in

oh wow....how manipulative, especially for young ones.. first prize goes to whoever can state the one aspect of society expenditure that this video fails to mention!.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201505_1_video.

careful

The vid mentions contributions are used to support special pioneers. I thought they had been phased out. Are they back or what?

Yes, they certainly hide the fact that a significant portion of their budget is going toward lawsuit payments. They just do not know how to be honest—so self-deceived, like RF explains their entrapment.

non-JW church child abuse

by careful in

"whaley warned congregants to lie to investigators about abuse incidents"; sound familiar?.

ap link:.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/probe-sought-after-ap-report-church-abuse-allegations.

careful

"Whaley warned congregants to lie to investigators about abuse incidents"; sound familiar?

AP link:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/probe-sought-after-ap-report-church-abuse-allegations