Posts by careful

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Banned words in the organization

by Addison0998 in

i was talking to my sister in law the other day about death, and i mentioned something about the afterlife, i don’t remember what i said but it was nothing shocking .

but she squealed, “we don’t believe in the afterlife!

!” and i reasoned, well we kinda do...life after death is the after life..and she just insisted no no it’s not the same thing.

careful

Refer her to this 2007 org publication where the word afterlife is used in ¶ 2, an admittedly rare use in WTS pubs:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007442

It might be fun to watch her reaction, esp. if you portray it as her disagreeing with the org...

Maybe some day they'll change it, like they did with the word religion (1951, I think).

Grace is always undeserved kindness. They work very hard to separate themselves from the churches in general, including in vocabulary. But there are plenty of exceptions: Bible, holy scriptures, Hebrew Bible, progressive revelation, original sin, the inerrant Word of God. You might have some fun with your SIL and these topics.

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Dutch Jehovah’s Witnesses reject calls for independent inquiry into sexual abuse

by jochie in

the jehovah’s witnesses community in the netherlands will not hold an independent inquiry into the sexual abuse of members, despite being urged to do so by justice minister sander dekker.read more at: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/05/jehovahs-witnesses-reject-calls-for-independent-inquiry-into-sexual-abuse/item in dutch news on tv (english subs available)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkvtll8wjca&feature=youtu.be.

careful

Mixed signals? Contrast Finland here:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5838886824574976/borg-nearly-apologies-child-abuse-victims-finland

Where's the much boasted unity? It sure looks like two differing paths.

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Material such as the film at the end of this years convention confirms that I was right to take my kids out the religion

by jambon1 in

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it’s quite affirming to see the horrific material that they’re serving up at the convention this year.

aside from blatant homophobia, the scenes at the end of the convention that are discussed on another thread stoop to new levels of fear mongering.

it seems to occur to nobody inside the organisation that this kind of material could trigger fear, deprsssion, anxiety, stress.

careful

One thing about the video hit me. The GB feel that the org is being besieged. In their minds the child abuse legal cases are draining them of money. Inner org leaks are feeding their "classified" documents to Satan's world. Growth in most western lands is stagnant or negative. Opposers are organized like never before in online forums, and they have been coming into meetings in groups and really disrupting them, making videos of it all, and then posting such encounters online. The GB have not encountered these sorts of things much before, do not know what to do, and are looking for divine rescue.

I also noticed the absence of little children in the group "under attack." Teenagers were there, but no little ones. What's up with that?

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A non-Witnes who accepts 607 BC?

by careful in

an eyebrow raiser to be sure.

i can understand the clergyman being so baptist that he'd still use the name jehovah since it was popular in english and german churches for a long time during and after the reformation, but 607?.

see ¶ 6 under the heading "the historicity of the book of daniel".

careful

Thanks, Bobcat, Earnest and dropoffyourkeylee. I found the references in Darby, in his Chronological Table on p. xxviii: "606 ... The 'Times of the Gentiles' commence" and the one in the Scofield Ref. Bible. Scofield has a note on Jer. 25 (p. 798) where he offers three possibilities as to when the 70 years "may be reckoned to begin" but states that the 606 date "is the more probable reckoning."

It seems more likely that this David Oldfield fundamentalist clergyman is following these old 19th century people that Russell. It's interesting that such Fundamentalism is still around, but thank goodness it is not common, but is in Post Falls, Idaho! I guess it wasn't just the WTS that tweaked a year in.

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Borg nearly apologies child abuse victims in Finland

by Festus in

the attached picture is historical.

the man on left is ari hakkarainen, representative of jw in finland.

the woman in middle is reporter susanna päivärinta and the lady at right is josefina pakomaa who was abused by family friend - a jw - when she was 11. a vicious apostate today.

careful

Wow. Thanks for the post. It makes me wonder what is going on here—is this guy stepping out on his own? Is this some half-baked PR move orchestrated by the GB? There is a lot of fudging and dodging of the facts and of history here. Whatever the case, it is noteworthy. We'll have to wait and see what comes next.

What is where at the NY Bethel locations these days?

by careful in

i just took a look at one of atlantis' recent links of a letter written from the service dept to a brother about wearing a beard.

i noticed that it was written from walkill, not patterson or warwick.

of course, who can keep up with all the org changes in recent years?

careful

I just took a look at one of Atlantis' recent links of a letter written from the Service Dept to a brother about wearing a beard. I noticed that it was written from Walkill, not Patterson or Warwick. Of course, who can keep up with all the org changes in recent years? It set me wondering just what is where anymore. What is at Patterson? What is at Warwick? What is at Wallkill?

It used to be that Patterson had the Service and Legal Departments as well as the schools. Did that letter come from Walkill because that's now the HQ of the US Branch?

Any help understanding the "divine organizational mysteries/secrets" would be appreciated.

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A non-Witnes who accepts 607 BC?

by careful in

an eyebrow raiser to be sure.

i can understand the clergyman being so baptist that he'd still use the name jehovah since it was popular in english and german churches for a long time during and after the reformation, but 607?.

see ¶ 6 under the heading "the historicity of the book of daniel".

careful

An eyebrow raiser to be sure. I can understand the clergyman being so Baptist that he'd still use the name Jehovah since it was popular in English and German churches for a long time during and after the Reformation, but 607?

See ¶ 6 under the heading "The historicity of the Book of Daniel". It's about half way down the page:

http://www.idahobaptist.com/daniel/dan-043.htm

Maybe he's been reading CT Russell or some source Russell used? He has no interest in the Gentile Times, day-year stuff, or 1914.

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Interview with Dagney

by Dagney in

tell us a little about yourself and your family.. i was born and raised in southern california, with a brief stint with parents as need-greaters in central america.

my parents accepted a study in the d2d work, i believe my father was interested in the revolutionary aspect of the religion, and my mom said she wanted to learn the bible.

they were baptized in 1937 i think, and attended the one and only los angeles kh at the time.

careful

Thanks for your story. It was insightful.

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2018 Convention movie: Jonah.... oh my god it's bad......!

by stuckinarut2 in

so, once again the society has produced a cringe-worthy, spew-inducing piece of "cinema".. i don't recognise this religion anymore...... enjoy this review:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0tovqkfem.

careful

Is it possible to see the video without Lloyd Evans' BS and make up our own minds about it?

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JW stance on blood transfusions for animals?

by phats in

our dog needed some serius surgery recently & my wife (still in) was very concerned that if he needed a blood transfusion she thought this would constitute a misuse of blood.

i was stunned as never heard of this.. is this a thing?

i left 12 years ago & wondered if it's always been or introduced in the years after my leaving.. any info would be great.. phats.

careful

Thanks, dozy, for the quotation. How utterly Freddie Franzesque:

"in the case of a pet or any other animal under the jurisdiction of a Christian."