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  Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the twickenham post made me think of this.

  i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

  along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

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  Journeyman,

  Most of the comments so far have focused more on the camaraderie of working together, meeting other bros and sisters, group singing and other more social aspects
  

  Spot on. This should tell us much about human needs. Sorry you didn't enjoy the dramas. One aspect of them I didn't like was all the over-gesturing. I found it unrealistic and it really turned me off. I understand that Ulysses Glass was the brainchild behind those early dramas. Evidently he demanded all the over-gesturing.

  I suppose too that my knowing some of the local "actors" in the dramas made it more enjoyable for me. Every year the same congregation was used to supply the "actors" for them, and I was friends with some of those bros. and sisters.

  All that said, they way they were produced, with the supposed actors not really speaking their own lines, but just mouthing them according to the recording, it created a ring of phoniness to the whole process. Real actors memorize and speak their own lines. That did not occur in these Bible dramas, so it added a degree of artificiality to the entire undertaking. Part of real acting is speaking one's own lines. As you put it, it was indeed miming.
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  Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the twickenham post made me think of this.

  i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

  along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

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  After reading the posts so far, I have to agree. There was much to enjoy. Sadly, the talks were least memorable. I always forgot them unless there was some special reason to remember one (like Freddie Franz's meanderings). Working at food prep was highly memorable. In fact, working at any job instead of listening to the talks was memorable. It was all the more reason to volunteer. And yes, the new releases were fun as were the dramas—pre-video! For some reason I enjoyed the baptisms too. Then, as already mentioned, the socializing and catching up on various peoples lives, going out to dinner after the sessions with old friends rarely seen, meeting new bros. & sisters, all that was fun. Singing in such large groups the old Kingdom songs was moving and memorable too. The rest was pretty much forgotten.
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  Is WT Using ATTENDANTS At The Conventions To Be: "TOY COPS"

  by HiddlesWife in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard from a few ppimis and several pimos that the attendants who are stationedly-assigned to the front entrances of the borgvenues (cahs and other arenas) have been checking to see if any persons (members and non-member visitors) have badges.

  on the other hand, if these persons don't have one, this is what i was told that these dubs do this: corral around the non-badge-wearing individual and interrogate he/she/them plus questioning them, "why are you here?!".

  also, even if that person or persons have an invitation plus showed it to these dubs, these toy cops still do that procedure.

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  So what's the market among "apostates"/"opposers" now for setting up counterfeit badge operations? You know, just like counterfeit passport or green card (in the USA) operations. Just how "spy intriguing" will it all become? Like James Bond?
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses Open Historic Museum in Edo

  by Bangalore in

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  jehovah’s witnesses open historic museum in edo .. https://punchng.com/jehovahs-witnesses-open-historic-museum-in-edo/.

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  Thanks, Bangalore, for the news and link.
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  Guaranteed way not to get disfellowshipped

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  if it’s looking like someone may be disfellowshiped or announced they are no longer a jw and they don’t want to be shunned they just want to fade without being shunned - just say that would make me suicidal .

  simple.

  in the new shepherding book it says if they say that then don’t go ahead with it.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA, I wonder if it would really be that "simple." Would they not put the word out anyway, privately, that the suicidal threatening one is as good as DFed? Don't you think that this policy of refraining from the official announcement is rooted more in fear of legal reprisals and bad PR than real concern for the publisher involved?
  
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  Quebec court: film classification rules unconstitutionally restrict rights of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on 30 may, a judge of the court of quebec ruled on a case of watch tower's non-compliance with film classification rules.

  the society was prosecuted for showing the story of josiah movie during the 2019 summer convention in quebec city, without it first being examined by the age rating authority, an offence punishable by fine of up to ca$2800 for the first time and up to ca$14,000 subsequently.

  the offence was indeed committed, the court found, but the law in question violates religious freedom, freedom of expression and parental freedom of jehovah's witnesses and therefore doesn't apply to the defendant.

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  As always Corney, thanks for the update.
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  A New List of the J Versions and Where to Find them

  by pizzahut2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi!i am doing a very long and exhaustive study of the "j" versions, based off the new study edition of the new world translation:https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.

  this list has about 300 sources, mostly bibles, that the jehovah's witnesses have used to "justify" their insertion of "jehovah" into the new testament.i am doing an excel spreadsheet of where to find digitized copies of these j versions and then some notes on them.. they contain some really interesting renderings, some that would make a jehovah's witness's head spin!for example, in j29:the original aramaic new testament in plain english (an american translation of the aramaic new testament), by glenn david bauscher, seventh edition, australia, 2012which you can find here:.

  http://buffaloriverforge.com/peshitta/nt%20peshitta%207th%20ed%20plain%20text%20unnoted.pdfin luke 2:11 it says:.

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  Like Earnest, pizzahut2023, I thank you for the details you are providing. The org leaders could care less about the theology of the sources they cite on the divine name. They do not grasp even the rudiments of biblical scholarship, and they view mostly all printed matter on the Bible as roughly equal: newspaper editor Benjamin Wilson (Emphatic Diaglott) = a Cambridge/Oxford professor.

  They pick, like a hen pecks at food on the ground, at whatever morsels they stumble across, and then cite them to an audience already 100% eager to believe whatever they are told. The idea that the historical context of these medieval works they cite would matter is irrelevant.

  SBF:

  When one appreciates just how thoroughly Trinitarians changed the text of scripture and the early writings of the church to conform to the later Trinity doctrine it’s somewhat a miracle that non-Trinitarian material has survived at all from the early period. For every description of Jesus as the first creation of God in early Christianity that managed to cling on in the manuscript tradition there were probably many other examples that were blotted out.
  

  Yes, it's like those early church onomastica, and the fathers who quote them, that still testify to Iao/Yaho as the living non-magical pronunciation for the Father in Second Temple Period Judaism among the masses. Remarkable that such testimony has survived at all.

  
  
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  1290 JW Congregations have been deleted since 4th Dec 2022

  by ComingOutaMyCage in

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  https://i.redd.it/hd9p1g3ssr2b1.jpg.

  1290 jw congregations have been deleted since 4th dec 2022. i have a full map so you can explore active/deleted congs, and also orphaned halls https://analytics.jws-library.one/viewmap.html.

  many of the deletions in the usa appear to be foreign language groups.

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  Yes, Vidiot, agreed, but a few years ago some Witnesses were in my neighborhood going D2D (pre-Covid) and when I went out to my vehicle, I couldn't resist having some fun. When I asked about the local KH, they told me it was on the market and they were having to go to another in the next county, miles away. I said I'd heard rumors that the WTS was in financial difficulties. This was denied by one sister who did more talking than the bro "taking the lead." She told me that was all false, and that the real reason for selling KHs so much was "so that new KHs could be built in Africa." She felt privileged to sacrifice for those poor African brothers and sisters.

  It's no wonder that when such ones wake up, they fall so hard and fast, and feel so betrayed.
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  Confirmed: CO Discourages Zoom

  by XBEHERE in

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  2. friends

  i can confirm that the co during one of his service talks stated that zoom is a provision for elderly, infirmed, as well as people who might need it on occasion due to health reasons, otherwise you are expected to be in person at meetings and in the ministry.

  this had to come down from the top.

  maybe they do not want to put it in a gb update or broadcast since that would be too public i suppose.

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  More bodies in KH seats, more contribution boxes in plain sight by attendees.
  

  You got it!
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  Does the Governing Body already know that Jehovah (the name) came from Babylon the Great?

  by Chevelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'll start by stating the obvious... according to the watchtower, the catholic church is a huge part of babylon the great which is led by satan and his demons.

  raymundus martini, a catholic monk (who "represents" babylon the great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th century and decided to alter yhwh so it can be easily pronounced.

  hence the spanish-ish version of yhwh was created... jehova... (sounds something like this in spanish: heh-o-va).

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  The Bible itself was copied and preserved by the "apostates" (as Witnesses view them) from Judaism and the church, all in Babylon the Great (as Witnesses view it). So what? What's the point? In Ray Franz's CofC he quotes past GB member Karl Klein as saying that using church works was "sucking at the tits of Babylon the Great," and as Franz notes, Klein himself used such sources, 4th ed. p. 23. So why should they not take over the name Jehovah from the same sources?