Posts by Frogleg

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S-77 disfellowshipping form

by IT Support in

in a post a couple of months ago, i copied a scan of the form a judicial committee uses to notify the society that someone has been disfellowshipped or disassociated.

this form was issued in july 2001.

has this form been revised since then?

is it just me or do mormons look happier than jdubs?

by in a new york bethel minute in

it seems to me that mormons enjoy their work a lot more than jdubs... and they do it 12 hours a day.

they have to walk everywhere.

they have no social life or money.

Overall, the ones doing the leg work are happier. I agree that their "mission" is of relatively short duration; but also, and to me most importantly, they aren't just given a stack of mags and told to "sic 'em" and left on their own. The Mormon organization is behind the missionaries, and if a person who is on a mission is in need of something (y'know, those incidentals like food and rent) the Mormon organization is there to help. The Borg couldn't give a crap what happens to you while you pioneer (even though that's all they tell you you should be doing) because they can slough off all responsibility onto "the angels" or "God's Spirit", and if something harmful happens to you, it will either be "a test" or its your fault because you didn't "count the cost". The Borg sees you as a tool, and anything you do is only what you should have been doing anyway, so why should they have to be concerned about you.

Also, a Mormon doesn't absolutely, positively, have to go on a mission. They are encouraged to, if they want to progress past a certain point within the church they have to, but if they don't, they will not be thrown out of the church, shunned, be considered possessed of the devil, denied assistance of any kind, or any of the other typical things JWs do to someone who doesn't go out in "field service". The Mormons I've known who have done "their mission" did it because they wanted to do it.

As I recall, in the Bible God tells us that if we aren't happy in what we do for him, He doesn't want us to do it, after all, what would be the point? But to the Borg, well, that person who compared them to the anti-christ is sure starting to look smarter and smarter.

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What our hearts know is in store

by Frogleg in

imagine that you have walked into a travel agency (yes, i know, an archaic concept) that has advertised a "surprise" trip.

they have told you that this excursion will go somewhere pleasant and enjoyable, but it doesn't mention exactly where you will be going.

however, they tell you to pack a lot of suntan lotion (min:spf 40), towels, swimming togs, and they want to make sure you know how to use an aqualung.

Frogleg

Imagine that you have walked into a travel agency (yes, I know, an archaic concept) that has advertised a "surprise" trip. They have told you that this excursion will go somewhere pleasant and enjoyable, but it doesn't mention exactly where you will be going. However, they tell you to pack a lot of suntan lotion (min:spf 40), towels, swimming togs, and they want to make sure you know how to use an aqualung. They also notify you that if you are allergic to sand tropical coral, rum, and Reggae music, you better not go. Now , where do expect this "surprise" trip to be headed? Johannesburg? Berlin? Zurich? Cairo? Tokyo?

Now, knowing all that you know about the Bible and JCs promises about the "new world", what do you think it will be like, about, of, for, to, etc. ????? If you think of the answer while you are being held by a beautiful member of the opposite gender, it is okay, that may be part of the answer.

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Your heart and the future

by Frogleg in

imagine that you have walked into a travel agency (yes, i know, an archaic concept) that has advertised a "surprise" trip.

they have told you that this excursion will go somewhere pleasant and enjoyable, but it doesn't mention exactly where you will be going.

however, they tell you to pack a lot of suntan lotion (min:spf 40), towels, swimming togs, and they want to make sure you know how to use an aqualung.

Frogleg

Imagine that you have walked into a travel agency (yes, I know, an archaic concept) that has advertised a "surprise" trip. They have told you that this excursion will go somewhere pleasant and enjoyable, but it doesn't mention exactly where you will be going. However, they tell you to pack a lot of suntan lotion (min:spf 40), towels, swimming togs, and they want to make sure you know how to use an aqualung. They also notify you that if you are allergic to sand tropical coral, rum, and Reggae music, you better not go. Now , where do expect this "surprise" trip to be headed? Johannesburg? Berlin? Zurich? Cairo? Tokyo?

Now, knowing all that you know about the Bible and JCs promises about the "new world", what do you think it will be like, about, of, for, to, etc. ????? If you think of the answer while you are being held by a beautiful member of the opposite gender, it is okay, that may be part of the answer.

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Lukewarm Christians and the Leap of Faith

by Shining One in

the upper story leap .

by gregory koukl .

what's at heart here is not so much science and facts, but a philosophy of doing science which says that you can only talk about things which are scientific and you must remove any reference to a supernatural force whatsoever.i want to talk to you about what's happening in the vista school district.

Frogleg

ShiningOne,

You are gracious. Thank you. A Major Floyd quote I always carried with me thru the Borg days is really a misquote, but I like it that way:

"Haven't you heard, its a battle of words, and most of them are lies."

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-20-05 WT Study (Haughty)

by blondie in

" was pharaoh's haughty.

"your heart became haughty".

"-isaiah 2:17.. humble christians--only jws.

Frogleg

Thank you Blondie.

This article is the quintessential kettle/pot scenario. I'm not sure about the possibility that this is the 2nd chapter of the anti-college campaign, but who knows what goes on in the minds of the JW elite! "Governing Body", hmmmm, what a title, no haughtiness there! Having been astounded by the revelations (mostly from this board) of the infighting, childish jealousies, arbitrariness to the point of being fickle, of the GB and the WT writers, I'd bet even money that this article is a GB clique yammering and preaching at another clique, and outside of the confines of Brooklyn Bunker is a meaningless exercise in "eat what the f*ck I give you!" Of the "examples" cited, were any later than 3000 years ago? Yeah, Pharoh was haughty, so what? Like I can really frigging relate to being a Pharoh. Belshazzar? Oh yeah, I know just what it's like being a king. For the R&F, this article is just tripe, garbage, a complete waste of time.

But then, gosh, if I'm really subserviant and listen to the Borg and just take what ever the push up my kazoo, why, I'll be better than a pharoh!!!!!

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They don't "own" God

by Jez in

yesterday, talking to a dear wise friend, she said about jehovahs witnesses, "they don't own god.

" that simple statement said so much to me.

she said that so many religions have taken god and act like they and only they own him.

Frogleg

No, they don't. But they do have a patent pending.

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Question about Christmas

by Super_Becka in

ok, i'm fairly new here and to the whole mess that is the realm of jws and the wts, introduced to this odd world because i'm dating an inactive jw (that's a whole other ball of wax, check out my other topic on this - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/20/101985/1.ashx), but i've been doing some research and there's one question that's been really bugging me.. jws don't celebrate christmas, i think we all get that.

they say that christmas is pagan and therefore satanic and all of that, so they've banned the celebration of christmas (among other christian holidays).

i figured that it had been like this since the beginning of the wts back in the 1870s, but i've found references to articles published in the watchtower magazines in the early part of the 20th century that state that christmas is a good time of year, that giving and charity and all of these things that come with the christmas season are good and that celebrating christmas is a good thing.

Frogleg

I am truely surprised that no one has used that line from "Kingdom Of Heaven" yet. So I guess I get to be first:

"God will understand. If He dosen't, then it is alright, because then He is not God."

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Lukewarm Christians and the Leap of Faith

by Shining One in

the upper story leap .

by gregory koukl .

what's at heart here is not so much science and facts, but a philosophy of doing science which says that you can only talk about things which are scientific and you must remove any reference to a supernatural force whatsoever.i want to talk to you about what's happening in the vista school district.

Frogleg

Shining One,

You are obviously a purest at thought. Your piece was intersting and enjoyable. Thank you. I'm not sure you wished to elicit comments, but here's mine anyway.

What is most interesting to note is the somewhat ironic scope of the two essays you mentioned, because while these works were on the OpEd pages, the Times was running a "developing" story about a church in LA that was getting busted by the IRS after the church let loose with a certain amount of "anti-government" (read: administration?) rhetoric. Is it possible that this story might be the tippy-tip-tip of the iceberg that will make evolution debate the smallest f*cking footnote in the history of mankind? But nobody seems to notice. Curious?

As for the evolution theory and the two pieces you mentioned, they were given only cursory examination because, in total, the subject comes across in a very comedic way. Like you, I believe that the Phil Johnson person is spot on in his understanding that the debate over evolution is the clash of two religions, or, as he says, "philosophies". To see what this debate will eventually result in (if allowed to go on long enough) is merely to watch "Kingdom Of Heaven" twice, once with subtitles, and once without. Or, better yet, moderate a discussion between Sunni and Shi'a Muslims for an hour.

Now, the Rabbi guy does the classical religious technique of "bait and switch" in that the discussion at hand is about the teaching of the definition of the development of life forms on planet Earth, and he brings in the the Bible. "The Bible is not a textbook.", he says. Well, lah-dee-dah, neither is the phonebook, TV Guide, or the racing forum at Pimlico, but they all have the same amount of relevance to the discussion at hand.

But the "pro" evolutionists have their own version of the B&S as well. The "common man" level of the discussion, i.e. the one your Vista school board will be considering, is so narrowed and biased in its own scope that it amounts to determination of the validity of space flight based upon discussions of sheetmetal riveting techniques, with the discussions being populated and moderated by janitors and taxi-cab drivers.

The evolution "science" is extremely dated in that, it is a science based upon what can be seen. It is merely phrenology across the animal kingdom, a study of incidental similarities. The historical origin of evolutionary theory shows that it was just another instance of backlash in the western world against 1000 years of religious and superstitous totalitarianism. The timing, placement, acceptance, and ultimate selling of evolution over the next 200 years was the inevitability of an emerging religion killing the source of its older rival. A medium stare at the science of physics, chemistry, and mathmatics against the chaos of anthropology and you end up staring at a picture of Marilyn Monroe against Roseanne Barr.

The issue of the debate is not the debate, but the proposed results. You are correct in your assessment that critical thinking is much more valuable than (supposed) specific knowledge. I rather imagine that's why you're on this board.

"What God wants, God gets." - R. Waters -

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ParadiseWhere?

by AuldSoul in

re chap.

7 p. 37 rekindle that first love!

14 since they have no prospect of living in an earthly paradise, how is it that anointed christians, such as those ephesians, are rewarded with eating of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of god?

Frogleg

This is probably off subject,but...

"these overcomers who have been granted immortality will continue to live eternally, as symbolized here by their eating of the tree of life."

Wait a minute, here is where the tree of life gets mentioned:

Ge3:22

“Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite,—”

Does "time indefinite" = forever? It appears that the Borg believe that if Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life, they would have become immortal? If that would have been possible, then the entire Bible has been turned to toilet paper. If the tree of life bestows immortality, the serpent would have to be the dumbest SOB ever in existence, because long before I would have been hissing at Eve, I would've munched at least a bushel of the Tree of Life. I'm surprised the Borg doesn't begin and end every meeting, book, prayer with "Hocus Pocus" and "Abracadabra".