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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-2014 WT Study (MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB)

  by blondie in

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  (john 1:36; 3:28, 29; rev.

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  wizzstick

  How does revelation refer to an earthly courtyard of a spiritual temple? This article seems to be stretching.

  Good point GoUnion.

  But this is a key problem with the Great Crowd doctine. Naos (the temple sanctuary) which Rev 7 says the Great Crowd are 'in' had NO courtyards inside it. All the temple courtyards came under a different greek word - heiron.

  The Great Crowd of Rev 7 are therefore most certainly in heaven, so like a house of cards everything in this WT collapses around this problem.

  Idiots.
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  Old JW footage on You Tube from Pathe News

  by wizzstick in

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  pathe news was a producer of newsreels , cinemagazines , and documentaries from 1910 until 1970 in the united kingdom.

  its founder, charles pathe, was a pioneer of moving pictures in the silent era.

  the pathe news archive is known today as british pathe.

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  Pathé News was a producer of newsreels , cinemagazines , and documentaries from 1910 until 1970 in the United Kingdom. Its founder, Charles Pathé, was a pioneer of moving pictures in the silent era. The Pathé News archive is known today as “British Pathé”. Its collection of news film and movies is fully digitised and available online (thanks Wikipedia).

  Anyway, in the last few days they've uploaded loads of films including some featuring JW's from DCs:

  https://www.youtube.com/user/britishpathe/search?query=jehovah

  Looking at some now, the glory days of the WT really were the 50s.

  Anyway - enjoy!
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  136th Gilead Class Graduates-JW.Org

  by Brother Mike in

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  i just found this video they released on their official website.

  sorry if this was already posted.

  (if not i thought some might have some thoughts about it).

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  wizzstick

  With the recent departure of Guy Pierce, it's interesting to look at the various speakers and wonder if his replacement is on show there.

  They all look like likely candidates.
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  OMG!! Andre from the YPA video gave our Memorial talk.. My thoughts:

  by BU2B in

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  our memorial was held at a music hall with roughly 1300-1400 in attendance.

  there was a guest speaker from bethell, guess who??

  andre!

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  Yeah we had the JW.ORG ads too.

  Sorry - which one was Andre? I can't re-watch that again...
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  Unsung Heroes of J.W net

  by new hope and happiness in

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  been on this site 8 months now, but not on a daily basis.

  recently discoverd a poster named processor, loved his tread on the life of jesus.

  anyway the guys posts never seem to make long threads.

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  Out of interest - whatever happened to Maximus?

  His last post was in Oct 2001. Does anyone know why he stopped posting?

  Wasn't he an ex-DO?
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

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  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  Two other points:

  But I'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible

  I strongly suggest you read The Gentile Times Reconsidered. It goes into depth and, frankly, it may be a nice idea to keep the research simple as possible, but it's only by going in depth you realise that Neo-Babylonian chronology is clearly established by physical evidence from that time period. Cuneiform tablets, the House of Egibi records and so on. You just can't argue with a picture painted by 10,000s of pieces of evidence.

  Is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?

  The seond point to grasp is that you need to go back to the beginning of this whole idea of when the Appointed Times of the nations begins (which is the whole reason we are skulking about 100s of years BCE).

  Re-read Luke 21: 20-24:

  20 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·de′a begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

  Everything in Luke 21: 20-24 is written in future tense (see in bold above). So Jesus, talking in 33CE, was talking of future events. There is nothing to suggest that the last part re Jerusalem had actually started hundreds of years before. If so Jesus would have said, "and Jerusalem is being trampled on by the nations...", or "and Jerusalem will continue to be trampled on by the nations...".

  It's just an (old) interpretation of scripture that doesn't bare up to scrutiny, particularly given the future tense the whole passage was written in.
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  The first period of seventy years spanned from 606 BC until 537 BC

  But that is wrong as it contradicts the Bible. As AnnoMaly points out, you have Jeremiah 25:12 where it says:

  “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·de′ans a desolate wasteland for all time.

  When did Cyrus overpower Nabonidus?

  539BCE.

  So how can the king of Babylon (Nabonidus) be called to account when the 70 years are fulfilled, given that by 537 he had been overpowered for some 2 years. The 70 years have to finish in 539 to fulfill Jeremiah 25:12.

  Jer 25:12 is the big Biblical hole in the WT argument.
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  The Apostasy Within

  by Ultimate Axiom in

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  in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

  still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

  as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

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  607 is the one I would discuss.

  Highlight the physical evidence and how it shows clearly thr reign of kings, and how there is no missing 20 years.

  Kill that and so much collapses.
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  WT article covering 587 and the missing 20 years?

  by UnConfused in

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  published in the last two or three years,please and thank you..

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  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011810
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  Same sex marriage legalised in the UK at midnight tonight!!!

  by DuvanMuvan in

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  title pretty much explains it all.

  lots of people are getting married at midnight tonight.. what do you guys think?

  maybe if anyone gets called on by a jw this weekend you can ask them what they think about it.. im just glad because it shows that religion doesn't define our conscience, that basic human decency can prevail over time and hopefully, these types of gradual but big changes will be present in the wts too in the future .

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  wizzstick

  This can't be right.

  I can distinctly remember a brother on the platform years ago saying "We know the end is close brothers, because homosexuals wan't to get married and God would never allow the sacred arrangement of marriage to be polluted like that."

  Don't tell me they got something else wrong?!