Posts by M*A*S*H

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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MAS*H

AlphaMan, just to be clear we are not pals. If you do not want to follow the law and keep in step with the prevailing morality of the time, do not get a licence to marry people - simple.

It will be difficult to stop 'singling you out', you see homophobia is not really acceptable behaviour.

You seem to be suggesting that a 'gay couple asking to be married' at a licenced venue equates trying to " ramrod their beliefs down people's throats"? If two Christian gay people want to marry in a church is that so wrong?

It is great to see when you noticed this discrimination against gay people your first thoughts were 'oh my god, they are singling out Christian pastors'... yeah that's the real injustice here. How dare they single out Christians in this great country, this great Christian country... everyone knows the Muslims hate gays too.

Let's be clear here, are you suggesting that a loving god would 'compromise' a pastors 'eternal salvation' by allowing a gay couple to be married?

Freedom of Religion should not allow homophobics to trample on the rights and discriminate against others.

Also, you really need to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

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Science is right in its details, but wrong in its direction

by exWTslave in

science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!

it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.

it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.

MAS*H

Psychology Today has managed to get itself listed on QuackWatch ... http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecperiodicals.html not a good sign really.

Some other great articles from the totally quack free journal Psychology Today.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201203/when-you-die-do-you-wake-in-the-morning

At death, we all know, there is a break in consciousness, and so too, a break in the continuity in the connection of times and places. Without space and time, Newtonian conceptions of order and secure prediction have no meaning. In reality you can take any time, past or future, as your new frame of reference, and estimate all other events relative to it

This artical IMO takes a lack of understanding of what an 'observer' is and somehow ends up concluding " When you die, you will wake up in the present—just like you did this morning."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201301/commentary-the-nature-life

Our science is so far off the mark that we might just as well be reading comic books instead of textbooks on evolutionary biology or quantum physics. However, recently some scientists have started to challenge a worldview that stretches back—beyond Sir Isaac Newton and Aristotle—to the first thinkers of civilized consciousness.

Comic books I tell you... don't read physics text books no... spiderman is just as good! Plus, if Aristotle does not qualify as a "first thinker" who the bloody hell does?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201208/trip-through-time-and-beyond

So say goodbye to death, and fasten your seatbelt for a mind-blowing ride through space and time … and beyond.

In this artical quantum entanglement and the double slit experiment are somehow used to draw the above conclusion.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201312/the-myth-death

But physics tells us that energy is never ever lost, and that our brains, minds, and hence the feeling of life operates by electrical energy, and therefore this energy like all others simply can’t vanish, period. The biocentric view of the timeless, spaceless cosmos of consciousness allows for no true death in any real sense. When a body dies, it does so not in the random billiard-ball matrix but in the all-is-still-inescapably-life matrix.

Sign me up for the " all-is-still-inescapably-life matrix".

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201205/you-really-are-the-center-the-universe

Biocentrism provides the explanation for why all the shots missed. If the universe is created by us, then no universe that didn’t allow for life could possibly exist. The mystery of the goldilocks universe goes away, and the critical role of life and consciousness in shaping the universe becomes clear.

In this artical we examine how we created the universe with our brains.

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900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

by Perry in

we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

selection to account for the complexity of life.

careful examination of the .

MAS*H

“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural
selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the
evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

Would it not be better to concentrate on the modern evolutionary synthesis?

Why is the above statement so shocking? Skeptical enquiry should be encouraged in science. Certainly evidence should always be carefully examined. Evidence that contradicts the evolutionary thoery should certainly be looked at... it is of course a falsifiable theory.

Obviously the theory will need to be adjusted to encompass new evidence as and when it comes along. Perhaps though, you are suggesting, evidence could be presented to bring the entire body of knowledge to be proven incorrect? If so, what is this evidence?

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900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

by Perry in

we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

selection to account for the complexity of life.

careful examination of the .

MAS*H

Perry, is there a "language" in all chemical reactions and or molecules? As you seem to judge people on their ability to identify 'codes' correctly and be somewhat of an expert in identifying a code when you see one, do you think that the structure of Tris(dibenzylideneacetone)dipalladium(0) is a 'code' in the sense of Information Theory? Or perhaps you think that in this case it is just a chemical compound?

At what point do you start saying a chemical compound or polymer is 'coded with a language'? When it seems complicated? When it acts a catalyst in chemical reactions? When it is 'perfect' according to some picture you hold?

Do you really not understand why we refer to DNA as a code, whilst not actually believing it is a true code in the language sense?

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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

by breakfast of champions in

this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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MAS*H

I expect the Borg are creating a fund for future abuse settlements and will be selling as much of their new found real estate as soon as possible.

The Catholic church according to the Jay Report says "there were approximately 10,667 reported victims (younger than 18 years) of clergy sexual abuse between 1950 and 2002". Now I am sure that figure is too low for many reasons.. but if the WTBS has one percent this number of possible claims for damages I am sure they will be preparing a slush fund ready for any future claims.

Whilst preaching the end is near, the WTBS has it seems always had a good long term view for financial management. This requirement for liquid funds may well have been a driver behind their latest money grab. What do you think?

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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MAS*H

AlphaMan you're right... those people " declining to marry same sex people" should be praised for their views, I mean what's next mixed race marriages!? Oh, wait, damn it.

Anyway, I think we should extend this support to all public servants... if the police show up to a burglary and the house belongs to a gay couple they could just 'politely decline' to intervene saying perhaps you should try the "gay police".

I know, we could have special pink fluffy ambulances for gay people manned by gay paramedics, so us 'normal' folks do not get mixed up with all the gay stuff. If a straight ambulance turns up to a 'gay incident' they should be allowed to 'politely decline'.

Now let's not forget the lawyers, they should not have to tolerate these people either. Court appointed attorneys could come in two types, those with brief cases and those with hand bags (if you know what I mean) ;o)

Oh, we could even have separate water fountains for 'normal humans' and 'gays', because otherwise us normals might go for a drink right after a gay has just had a drink and not even know it.

There is the problem though of ensuring 'the gays' follow these rules, perhaps we should make them wear a special symbol on their shirts (a fairy perhaps). That way you would be able to spot the gays immediately to ensure pathetic homophobic interfering backward thinking morons such as yourself do not have to alter your medieval thinking and come blinking and squinting into our modern society where most people believe that freedom and free speech stop short of oppressing people for no other reason than the body they were born into.

Sadly churches are generally exempt and are not forced to marry gay couples. I think it would be best to remove any licences from places that will not marry all citizens according to the law.

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Science is right in its details, but wrong in its direction

by exWTslave in

science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!

it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.

it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.

MAS*H

The "direction" of science (if one wants to assume it has a direction) points towards the unknown, right where it should.

The closest science comes to the main thrust of your post is sociology... and I am yet to see anything suggesting " more and more MATERIAL comforts and luxuries" are the solution to our problems. Why do you posit 'science' suggests this path?

As the majority of American's believe in the immortal soul you would think the USA would be one of the happiest places on the planet... oh wait... it's not, not by a long shot. Why is this?

As for your little comment about 'some feel' the brain is the source of our intelligence, I am not quite sure what you are driving at? I assume you are suggesting our intelligence comes from the soul? In which case why are humans not born with fully formed personalities? If it is because the brain is not ready, then you are suggesting the intelligence of the soul can only grow with the brain, in which case you may as well do away with the soul bit is not adding anything.

What are the implications of intelligence coming from anywhere other than the brain? Why, if intelligence is from a soul, does dementia have any effect on our aging populations? Why is a "soul brain\intelligence" affected so profoundly by damage in the brain?

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Glory of creation is still untouched!

by Pinku in

according to plato, the universe thrives on its own, dies and gets rebornall on its own and within itself.

the wise symbolized this concept in ouroboros, a serpent eating its own tail.

[even more wonderful is the marvel called a fruit-bearing treeit does not even eat its own fruit, but simply subsists on mostly what we may consider as dirt/refuse; and trees collectively perform yet another marvel of photosynthesis that make use of our wastes and give us oxygen, food, water, shelter, fiber..........................................[http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/opinion/to-save-the-planet-dont-plant-trees.html?_r=0].

MAS*H

Pinku thanks for attempting to actually answer my questions of you. I will state my claim right from the outset - It's my position that you have no evidence for your god and accept 'him' on faith and most of what you postulate as logic is in fact woo.

Just to go over your answers...

Originally you said...

Because man has been given the ability to become gods (to progress indefinitely) or demons (to lead lives of destruction). He never uses messengers or books, but has left the teaching to the mother Nature.

I asked how you 'know' this... you chose to answer a slightly different question than intended - how do you know man has been 'given'any ability? What is the evidence? We all know we can lead 'good' or 'bad' lives according to the prevailing morality, but how do you know that god gave this ability?

You answered my question regarding mother nature's lessons with a vague 'you reap what you sow' response. In what way does that make sense when 'mother nature' unleashes a tsunami that kills innocent children?

It is true that good things might happen to you if you act kindly towards your fellow man... but this surely is not evidence for a god? You say you have seen evidence "that if we sow good, we will reap good"; however are you saying you have not seen any evidence for the opposite? Your so called teacher is just as likely to give cancer to a good person as a bad... good people are murdered, raped, etc... It seems like you are diliberately ignoring the evidence that what you are saying is total tosh.

If god does not use books, why are you quoting scripture?

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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MAS*H

I think you will find most of the answers you are looking for here... http://www.intelligentattraction.com/

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Why do you come here?

by love2Bworldly in

jw
friends

i come here to learn, but i also come here because it feels like a private club and i'm privy to be a member of the "in" crowd.

it's a great place to socialize.

does anyone else feel that they are a member of a special "club" when they come here, that only some people in this world will understand the jw world?.

MAS*H

I'm just here for the adds, I am now thinking of getting myself a Russian bride and I certainly know where to get the ring from ;o)