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  Evolution: The Deal Breaker

  by Hadriel in

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  first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

  i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

  there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

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  @Hadriel

  Just wondering if you have had chance to consider the information provided. I thought I had gone some way to providing links to information that help answer your OP. You said...
  

  I'd really like to get back to the original topic at hand here.
  Theories around RNA and other concepts as the catalyst. That's really what I'm interested in.
  I posted the topic honestly and yet here we are...
  Given there are serious unknowns its all on the table.
  But again I'm particularly interested in the concepts which caused simple amino acids to be charged resulting in proteins which begin chaining and building life.

  I spent the best part of an evening discovering, reading and sorting suitable research papers, eventually ending up with two that give a good view on the topic... were you even interested in finding the answers to your questions in the first place?
  
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  So apparently prince wrote most of the songs in the new song book...

  by purrpurr in

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  or so says the jw's around me who heard it from someone who apparently "knows".

  i'm no expert in the music of prince so perhaps someone else can tell me, does the songs of the wt sound similar to princes work?.

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  Well I heard from a sister who knows the wife of the CO that was friends with a brother who knows Prince, that he personally made all the crackers for the last memorial that were used in Peru.
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  Evolution: The Deal Breaker

  by Hadriel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

  i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

  there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

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  @Hadriel

  I think it is time to move on from the point scoring banter on this thread and get back to your original OP. I think you and I both know I am not about to post anything on this forum that comes anywhere close to proving how life got started. There are interesting hypotheses centred around the RNA world (which you have discounted, but I'll come back to that) and I would like to consider the following two papers.

  Back in 2009 nature published a 'Synthesis of activated pyrimidine ribonucleotides in prebiotically plausible conditions'. This describes the potential for pyrimidine ribonucleotides to form sequences whilst bypassing difficult free ribose and the nucleobases.

  I am not an expert in chemistry, however this shows a summary of the chemistry from the paper. This is the paper or here. Maybe you have an OpenAthens account to access this or Nature account? The second link seems open.

  Obviously this paper led to lots of new research into the area... and if you jump to 2011 you can read through this paper (which thankfully is open). Here given the blood sweat and tears of previous research the paper can build from the proposed mechanics to discussing what would constitute life and where the boundary should be drawn.

  Without wanting to appeal to authority too much, it seems to me that the grounding of these papers is well researched especially when they have considered the plausibility of the starting conditions and pathways that would not require unrealistic jumps in complexity.

  Your OP demands potential for amino acids to DNA. Clearly we are not there in the above papers, but would agree that the papers cannot just be discarded as junk science?

  Also your OP states "RNA as a precursor is not plausible due to complexity so how did the proteins needed for life get created." I would like for you to explain this statement to me a little more. Are you suggesting the RNA is more complex than DNA? If you discard RNA as 'plausible' due to complexity, why would you then go on to ask for methods that jump straight to DNA? I really do not understand your statement, please elaborate and perhaps I could get my head around what you mean.
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  Evolution: The Deal Breaker

  by Hadriel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

  i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

  there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

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  @Esse quam videri

  What on earth are you talking about? I mean are these serious questions you are asking? I am struggling to understand your motivation behind asking them. Do you genuinely believe these questions you ask cannot be answered?

  I suppose there is a small chance you genuinely want to learn about the science and theory backing evolution. If you do I am sure Cofty (or others, or myself) would take the time to answer your questions. Perhaps just pick one point and if you are willing to discuss it the evolutionary explanation could be provided.
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  Experiences, a rose by any other name.

  by M*A*S*H in

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  every time a jw shares an 'experience' with me (in person or on jw.borg) it always strikes me that basically what they are describing are (alleged) miracles.

  in my mind, i seem to remember i was taught that miracles do not occur in today's world and ended with jesus?

  have i missed something here?.

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  So what i think you saying is only 'miraculess miracles' are allowed !
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  Experiences, a rose by any other name.

  by M*A*S*H in

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  every time a jw shares an 'experience' with me (in person or on jw.borg) it always strikes me that basically what they are describing are (alleged) miracles.

  in my mind, i seem to remember i was taught that miracles do not occur in today's world and ended with jesus?

  have i missed something here?.

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  Every time a JW shares an 'experience' with me (in person or on JW.borg) it always strikes me that basically what they are describing are (alleged) miracles. In my mind, I seem to remember I was taught that miracles do not occur in today's world and ended with Jesus? Have I missed something here?
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  Where and What. . . IS THE EVIDENCE for "Mental ILLNESS"? ? ?

  by Terry in

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  i have no interest whatsoever in stirring up controversy.. in fact, i find clashes of opinion to be debilitatingly negative.. so, i'd simply like to request that we narrow this discussion to evidence.. please watch this video which is tantalizingly titled :.

  "there's no such thing as mental illness".. consider this data and listen to the presentation of cause vs. effects and give me your analysis and any evidence for conclusions you may draw.

  we all have anecdotal tendencies, but i should remind you, anecdotal testimony isn't evidence, only opinion.________________________________________.

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  Hmmm... this looks familiar. http://www.defoo.org/defoo/

  This looks cultish... http://www.molyneuxrevealed.com/ oh dear

  Urgh... http://www.molyneuxrevealed.com/2012/06/suicide-caused-by-stefan-molyneux-and.html
  

  http://www.fdrliberated.com/
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  Socialism

  by Perry in

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  socialists think that money will solve all man's problems.

  everything is obsessively related to money in the socialist ideology.. they have an almost supernatural ability to blame others with more money.

  god calls this greed and envy.

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  A visual representation of the OP...

  
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  The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

  the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

  reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

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  I wonder what the people in the people section here think... http://www.ncl.ac.uk/cbe/
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  One Person Baptized at Circuit Assembly

  by Simon Templar in

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  i went to the circuit assembly with my wife yesterday.

  i have to keep peace in the family.

  there were less than 1,000 people for both the morning and the afternoon sessions.

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  I suppose they'll save a few quid on the water bill though.