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  Science is right in its details, but wrong in its direction

  by exWTslave in

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  science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!

  it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.

  it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.

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  The "direction" of science (if one wants to assume it has a direction) points towards the unknown, right where it should.

  The closest science comes to the main thrust of your post is sociology... and I am yet to see anything suggesting " more and more MATERIAL comforts and luxuries" are the solution to our problems. Why do you posit 'science' suggests this path?

  As the majority of American's believe in the immortal soul you would think the USA would be one of the happiest places on the planet... oh wait... it's not, not by a long shot. Why is this?

  As for your little comment about 'some feel' the brain is the source of our intelligence, I am not quite sure what you are driving at? I assume you are suggesting our intelligence comes from the soul? In which case why are humans not born with fully formed personalities? If it is because the brain is not ready, then you are suggesting the intelligence of the soul can only grow with the brain, in which case you may as well do away with the soul bit is not adding anything.

  What are the implications of intelligence coming from anywhere other than the brain? Why, if intelligence is from a soul, does dementia have any effect on our aging populations? Why is a "soul brain\intelligence" affected so profoundly by damage in the brain?
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  Glory of creation is still untouched!

  by Pinku in

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  according to plato, the universe thrives on its own, dies and gets rebornall on its own and within itself.

  the wise symbolized this concept in ouroboros, a serpent eating its own tail.

  [even more wonderful is the marvel called a fruit-bearing treeit does not even eat its own fruit, but simply subsists on mostly what we may consider as dirt/refuse; and trees collectively perform yet another marvel of photosynthesis that make use of our wastes and give us oxygen, food, water, shelter, fiber..........................................[http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/opinion/to-save-the-planet-dont-plant-trees.html?_r=0].

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  Pinku thanks for attempting to actually answer my questions of you. I will state my claim right from the outset - It's my position that you have no evidence for your god and accept 'him' on faith and most of what you postulate as logic is in fact woo.

  Just to go over your answers...

  Originally you said...

  Because man has been given the ability to become gods (to progress indefinitely) or demons (to lead lives of destruction). He never uses messengers or books, but has left the teaching to the mother Nature.

  I asked how you 'know' this... you chose to answer a slightly different question than intended - how do you know man has been 'given'any ability? What is the evidence? We all know we can lead 'good' or 'bad' lives according to the prevailing morality, but how do you know that god gave this ability?

  You answered my question regarding mother nature's lessons with a vague 'you reap what you sow' response. In what way does that make sense when 'mother nature' unleashes a tsunami that kills innocent children?

  It is true that good things might happen to you if you act kindly towards your fellow man... but this surely is not evidence for a god? You say you have seen evidence "that if we sow good, we will reap good"; however are you saying you have not seen any evidence for the opposite? Your so called teacher is just as likely to give cancer to a good person as a bad... good people are murdered, raped, etc... It seems like you are diliberately ignoring the evidence that what you are saying is total tosh.

  If god does not use books, why are you quoting scripture?
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

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  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  I think you will find most of the answers you are looking for here... http://www.intelligentattraction.com/
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  Why do you come here?

  by love2Bworldly in

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  i come here to learn, but i also come here because it feels like a private club and i'm privy to be a member of the "in" crowd.

  it's a great place to socialize.

  does anyone else feel that they are a member of a special "club" when they come here, that only some people in this world will understand the jw world?.

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  I'm just here for the adds, I am now thinking of getting myself a Russian bride and I certainly know where to get the ring from ;o)
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  Blown away-- where to go from here

  by All for show in

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  i stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.

  the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.

  it's global.

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  Welcome All for Show!

  Thanks for sharing your story, I look forward to hearing how you get on.

  I remember looking around the Kingdom Hall during meetings seeing the false impression of friendship and happiness. It's like being the only 'okay people' in a zombie movie, and like the movies, once they realise you are 'okay'... they bite; you might want to pack a baseball bat in your Jehovah bag. Oh wait, maybe people do not have bags anymore, just iPads?
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  I think most of Prologos theories are explained in the 1864 paper published by Pierre-Jules Hetzel. 'Journey to the Center of the Earth', the paper was written by Professor Jules Verne, a specialist in Earthybibliogravitationynessosology.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Err... I do not think I was not missing the point!? I was suggesting further to your previous refutations you could add the 'pressure' and 'light' problem into the mix - both add further evidential weight to the argument being false.

  I was not attempting to suggest your efforts are not worthwhile, only that such arguements are 'ultimately' pointless as a believer can quite simply take a step back to god when the evidence all points against them (almost exactly as DATA-DOG suggested). The fight is certainly worthwhile... but still!

  So, personally I love to see people such as yourself take the time to evidentially prove woo wrong. However, I am not sure I missed the point entirely?
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  stupid elder

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  as you all know i am just going thru the motions.

  well today during the brain washing session.

  one stupid elder made the comment of.....an i quote "the jw.org website is the most visited website in the world!

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  M*A*S*H

  JW.Borg is the most visited site - it's just that Satan unvisits the site each time a worldly person clicks on it. Don't you guys know there's a war on?

  2 Corinthians 4:4

  In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Vivian, have you tried to calculate the pressure applied in the atmosphere by a crap load of water in the canopy? Also how much light would penatrate the canopy given its estimated volume? Ultimately pointless, it's a bit like taking the time to calculate the weight of the pink light reflected by the Invisible Pink Unicorn or the volume of the FSM's left ball.
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  Glory of creation is still untouched!

  by Pinku in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to plato, the universe thrives on its own, dies and gets rebornall on its own and within itself.

  the wise symbolized this concept in ouroboros, a serpent eating its own tail.

  [even more wonderful is the marvel called a fruit-bearing treeit does not even eat its own fruit, but simply subsists on mostly what we may consider as dirt/refuse; and trees collectively perform yet another marvel of photosynthesis that make use of our wastes and give us oxygen, food, water, shelter, fiber..........................................[http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/opinion/to-save-the-planet-dont-plant-trees.html?_r=0].

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  Pinku, who exactly was your professor? Dumbledore? In my experience educators teach their pupils to be critical of everything... prove the good and ignore the unfounded.

  Because man has been given the ability to become gods (to progress indefinitely) or demons (to lead lives of destruction). He never uses messengers or books, but has left the teaching to the mother Nature.

  If god does not give revelations to mankind how do you know the above? Guess work? How do you know god doesn't use books, because presumably you have no way of knowing that?

  'Mother Nature' is one of the cruellest, most unforgiving, irreverent teachers one could invent - what lessons is this proposed god of yours attempting to teach?

  If you attempt to answer my last question, I expect people will just ask... well how do you know as your god does not reveal anything to you?