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  EXCELLENT INTERVIEWS on mp3

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  you're going to love these interviews in mp3 format that are now up at:.

  http://www.randytv.com.

  "carl and barbara pandelo: a conspiracy of silence".

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  The J.R. Brown interview included one comment that really stuck out to me. (I'm going to paraphrase what was said.) Asked whether congregation members would be aware when they were working door-to-door with a known molester, Brown said: "Well, congregations are very tight-knit, like families, and everyone would know what a particular person had been reproved or disfellowshipped for in the past, because you know their habits" and so on and so forth.

  This was certainly a novel line of reasoning! Whatever happened to the strict sanctity and confidentiality of the judicial committee process?

  If you follow Brown's reasoning to a logical conclusion, you might as well just announce right up front what people are disfellowshipped for. After all, everybody knows, right?

  I can say that I was usually clueless as to why people were (rarely) reproved or DF'd in my congregation--unless there was a tell-tale sign, such as some young sister looking unexpectedly pregnant and a wedding hastily cooked up!

  Anyway, this was just an asinine thing for him to say. Child molestation is conducted in secret! It's not something where everybody would "know the molester's habits." For him to say that represents the same kind of goofy logic as the "two witness" policy.

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  Where did 9/13 interview w/JR Brown come from?

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  i'm listening to this mp3 recording of an interview with jr brown about the wt's child abuse policy right now which i found on watchtowernews.org.. how was this interview obtained, considering that brown wouldn't speak directly to dateline or panorama but only issued a video release?.

  just curious.

  for some reason i can't find anyone discussing this interview on the board--maybe i've overlooked a topic--and it seems pretty significant!.

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  I'm listening to this mp3 recording of an interview with JR Brown about the WT's child abuse policy right now which I found on watchtowernews.org.

  How was this interview obtained, considering that Brown wouldn't speak directly to Dateline or Panorama but only issued a video release?

  Just curious. For some reason I can't find anyone discussing this interview on the board--maybe I've overlooked a topic--and it seems pretty significant!

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  silentlambs march- please get ready now!

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  the silentlambs march is fast approaching, i encourage one and all to get your hotel reservations and make your final travel arrangements.

  we have a listing of discount hotels if you need assistance.

  we are going to have a police escort all the way to the front door of 25 columbia heights .

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  The ironic thing about You Know's post is that he's satirizing procedures, behaviors and attitudes that are considered *positive* within "Jehovah's loving organization."

  The implication is that the Society's rooming arrangements, talk outlines, emphasis on "wholesome food" and "good association," and so on are needless and tyrannical.

  Probably most people here have concluded that these things aren't the wonderful provisions from Jehovah that the Society would like us to believe. But I'm surprised to see You Know reinforcing those conclusions.

  Not to mention the crack about the GB being in the infirmary. Talk about "grandstanding"! "Hey, look at me, I'd do a better job than the GB!" (Which is an underlying theme of most of what this guy writes nowadays, when you think about it.)

  Anyway, YK's post is a pretty sad attempt to discredit this movement. Hmm, let's see: will anyone be DISFELLOWSHIPPED and SHUNNED if they don't follow these guidelines of Mr. Bowen's? Right there, the contention that "Mr. Bowen is no different than the elders" falls apart.

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  New video: Warning Examples for Our Day

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  has anybody seen this thing?

  i couldn't believe their choice of subject matter!

  i found out about it on jwzone.org:.

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  Has anybody seen this thing? I couldn't believe their choice of subject matter! I found out about it on JWZone.org:

  http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=47cee4a4aa07522c5d2e094ca3868d97&threadid=4659

  It's about Phineas, Zimri and Cozbi in Numbers 25. That heartening Scriptural account which "climaxes" with the description in verses 7 through 9:

  "When Phineas the son of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest caught sight of it, he at once got up from the midst of the assembly and took a lance in his hand. Then he went after the man of Israel into the vaulted tent and pierced both of them through, the man of Israel and the woman through her genital parts. At that the scourage was halted from upon the sons of Israel. And those who died from the scourge amounted to twenty-four thousand."

  Stuff like this in the Bible was a major factor in terms of convincing me that it's not God's Word. Sure, I was able to accept it when I was indoctrinated into taking it as something abstract: "Jehovah took decisive action," "it was time to root out evil from the midst of the congregation," "the purity of God's chosen nation was preserved," and blah blah blah.

  What this really comes down to is an exceptionally disgusting and gory murder.

  Boy, Phineas, was there ANY other more tactful way to express your disapproval?

  Oh well. I can only imagine that the video is an attempt to use the sledgehammer to keep the flock in line. "Warning Examples for Our Day" indeed. How do they depict this revolting scene, I wonder? Considering all the years of "fine admonition" against watching R- and X-rated videos...

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  Do You Still Read Terrorist Thrillers?

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  i was sorting through my bookshelves today and noticed that i had quite a few terrorist thrillers.. that is, books like the day of the jackal by frederick forsyth, black sunday by thomas harris, the fifth horseman by larry collins and rainbow six by tom clancy.. i'm wondering how other people feel.

  do you still read those books?

  or do you feel uncomfortable with them in the wake of the september 11 terrorist attacks?.

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  See, some of those books fit that mold, SixofNine, but others have a little more sophistication in their psychological profiling. I think Black Sunday is a good example. It really got into the thought process of the Palestinian terrorist, not just settling for "slay the evil infidel."

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  Do You Still Read Terrorist Thrillers?

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  i was sorting through my bookshelves today and noticed that i had quite a few terrorist thrillers.. that is, books like the day of the jackal by frederick forsyth, black sunday by thomas harris, the fifth horseman by larry collins and rainbow six by tom clancy.. i'm wondering how other people feel.

  do you still read those books?

  or do you feel uncomfortable with them in the wake of the september 11 terrorist attacks?.

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  One thing about Agatha, she was never too big on Islamic militants, if memory serves!

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  Do You Still Read Terrorist Thrillers?

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  i was sorting through my bookshelves today and noticed that i had quite a few terrorist thrillers.. that is, books like the day of the jackal by frederick forsyth, black sunday by thomas harris, the fifth horseman by larry collins and rainbow six by tom clancy.. i'm wondering how other people feel.

  do you still read those books?

  or do you feel uncomfortable with them in the wake of the september 11 terrorist attacks?.

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  Well, I must admit I read The Baal Intervention and Escape from Egypt a few too many times myself thanks to the good ol' Theocratic Ministry School.

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  Do You Still Read Terrorist Thrillers?

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  i was sorting through my bookshelves today and noticed that i had quite a few terrorist thrillers.. that is, books like the day of the jackal by frederick forsyth, black sunday by thomas harris, the fifth horseman by larry collins and rainbow six by tom clancy.. i'm wondering how other people feel.

  do you still read those books?

  or do you feel uncomfortable with them in the wake of the september 11 terrorist attacks?.

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  I was sorting through my bookshelves today and noticed that I had quite a few terrorist thrillers.

  That is, books like The Day of the Jackal by Frederick Forsyth, Black Sunday by Thomas Harris, The Fifth Horseman by Larry Collins and Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy.

  I'm wondering how other people feel. Do you still read those books? Or do you feel uncomfortable with them in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks?

  Personally, I'd still be open to reading them, because I recognize the disconnect between fiction and reality, and I've never felt that I take a gratuitous pleasure in destruction or death. I'm more into the adventure aspect of those books.

  I would guess there'd be a range of responses. Some people might give up on the genre entirely; others might continue to read but feel guilty about enjoying it; still others might only read their old thrillers, not newly published ones.

  How about you?

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  Are the disassociated NOT to be shunned now?

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  rado vleugel pointed out on another thread that the current response to "do you shun former members?

  " on the jw-media.org site represents a more hardline viewpoint as far as treatment of disfellowshipped family members.

  once it said, "disfellowshipping does not sever family ties.

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  Thanks for pointing that out, dmouse.

  They really should be hammered for their deceptiveness.

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  Are the disassociated NOT to be shunned now?

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  rado vleugel pointed out on another thread that the current response to "do you shun former members?

  " on the jw-media.org site represents a more hardline viewpoint as far as treatment of disfellowshipped family members.

  once it said, "disfellowshipping does not sever family ties.

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  Then if the policy of shunning the disassociated does not change, I think this phrase should be given wide publicity to highlight the WTS's deceptiveness.

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