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AB: Oh, Moses, Moses! Why of all men did I fall in love with the prince of fools? Why must you deny me and yourself?

CH: Because I am bound to a God, and to a people, and to a shepherd girl.

AB: A shepherd girl? What can she be to you unless the desert sun has dulled your senses.

Does she grate garlic on her skin or is it soft as mine? Are her lips chafed and dry as the desert sand or are they moist and red like a pomegranate? Is it the fragrance of myrrh that scents her hair or is it the odor of sheep?

CH: There is a beauty beyond the senses, Nefretiri.

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which actor could play Russel, and which actor could play Rutherford?

by boy@crossroads in

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friends

i was just curious.

if ever somone would make a film based on the conception of the jw religion.

which actors would be chosen?.

stev

Charles Taze Russell

Pastor Russell holding the world

Charlton Heston as Charles Taze Russell.

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which actor could play Russel, and which actor could play Rutherford?

by boy@crossroads in

jw
friends

i was just curious.

if ever somone would make a film based on the conception of the jw religion.

which actors would be chosen?.

stev

Judge Rutherford

Here is an actor that could play Rutherford. Paul Sorvino. He played the TV preacher in the movie Oh,God! with John Denver and George Burns. He also has starred in gangster movies. He is tall and heavy-set, with an imposing physical presence, and capable of a violent temper.

Steve

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I wish I studied their history

by Woodsman in

if i had i would have noticed what i do now.

for over 40 years, 1874-1914 and beyond the wts claimed that there was a time of trouble like the world had never seen before going on.

this was to be a terrible time leading up to armageddon in 1914. bible students used to write to russell and ask if his calculations were correct because they couldn't imagine the world going on much longer.

stev

The above post is from this website:

http://www.ccel.org/php/disp.php3?a=schaff&b=encyc07&p=374

New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge

I looked for the original publication date, but could not find it. A. E. Williamson wrote the article "Millennial Dawn." I think he was C. T. Russell's secretary at one time. Notice the date 1904 for the New Creation. Also the expectation for the year 1914. Millennial Dawn was the first title of the Studies in the Scriptures. Perhaps this is a revision of an earlier article that appeared in the previous edition of the encyclopedia.

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I wish I studied their history

by Woodsman in

if i had i would have noticed what i do now.

for over 40 years, 1874-1914 and beyond the wts claimed that there was a time of trouble like the world had never seen before going on.

this was to be a terrible time leading up to armageddon in 1914. bible students used to write to russell and ask if his calculations were correct because they couldn't imagine the world going on much longer.

stev

PNG scan of Page 374

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If the Bible best-selling book in history, what is the second best-selling?

by ithinkisee in

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anyone know?.

-ithinkisee

stev

http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/JwBooksCirculation.htm

THE WORLD’S MOST POPULAR BOOKS

B S

(Investigator 79, 2001 July)

The following is a list of books with the highest printings. It excludes newspapers, booklets, brochures, pamphlets and magazines. The list is based on information to hand and some of the figures are not the latest or final figures. The list omits various separate translations of the Bible and the lower end of the list probably also omits other books.

The Bible (All versions) 1815-1999	3,880,000,000
Quotations from the Works of Mao Tse-tung 1966-197	800,000,000
Good News Bible 1976-1995	122,000,000
The Highway Code (United Kingdom) 1931-1996	117,000,000
The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life 1969/1981	108,000,000
New World Translation (In whole or part) 1950s-2000	100,000,000
American Spelling Book 1783 Noah Webster	100,000,000
Automobile Association Handbook 1908-1991	98,000,000
Guinness Book of Records 1955-1999	85,000,000
The McGuffey Reader 1853-1879 William H McGuffey	60,000,000
A Message to Garcia 1899 Elbert Hubbard	50,000,000
Knowledge that Leads to Everlasting Life 1995	46,000,000
The Living Bible	45,000,000
Deutsche Bundespost 1993 (Initial print)	42,000,000
You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth 1982/1989	42,000,000
World Almanac 1868-1980s	40,000,000
True Peace and Security 1986	37,000,000
Your Erroneous Zones 1876 Wayne W Dyer	34,000,000
In His Steps 1896 Rev. C M Sheldon	30,000,000
To Kill A Mockingbird 1960 Harper Lee	30,000,000
Gone With the Wind 1936 Margaret Mitchell	30,000,000
Valley of the Dolls 1966 Jacqueline Susann	29,000,000
The Diary of Anne Frank	25,000,000
The Commonsense Book of Baby and Child Care 1946 Benjamin Spock	25,000,000
Let God be True 1946/1952	19,000,000
The Late Great Planet Earth 1970 H Lindsey	18,000,000
American Red Cross First Aid Book	16,000,000
Is the Bible Really the Word of God? 1969	15,000,000
Roots 1976 A Haley	12,500,000
From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained 1958	12,000,000
Sophie’s World 1996 J Gaardner & P Moller	12,000,000
Life—How Did It Get Here? 1985	11,000,000
The Bermuda Triangle 1975 Charles Berlitz	10,000,000
What’s the World Coming To? D E Stanton	10,000,000
Things In Which It Is Impossible For God To Lie 1965	10,000,000
Member’s Handbook, Auto. Assoc. 1990-91 (Initial print)	6,000,000
Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace 1986	6,000,000
Divine Plan of the Ages 1886	6,000,000

Notice how often the books of one sect – the Jehovah’s Witnesses – appear in the list. These are indicated by being underlined.

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How would JWs run a country if they had one?

by Spectrum in

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friends

can anybody imagine what it would be like to live in a country run by jws?

what would they call it?

what laws would they have?

stev

In a totalitarian regime. There is a book "The Orwellian World of the Jehovah's Witnesses" which compares them to the book 1984 written by George Orwell. I paged through the book recently, and read that Orwell knew of the JWs, which leads me to wonder whether this influenced Orwell at all in writing the book.

There is a previous thread comparing the JWs to "Animal Farm", also written by Orwell. In the thread, the comparison is made between the Russian Revolution, which is allegorized in Animal Farm, and the JWs. Lenin is compared to Russell, and Stalin to Rutherford. The character Napoleon in Animal Farm is comparable to Rutherford.

Steve

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Rutherford and Elevators -- All Others Use the Stairs

by VM44 in

during the olin moyle court case, some of the "jehovah's witnesses" witnesses were asked on the stand if they knew if the elevators were held at ground floor at lunchtime so that rutherford would not have to wait to use them when he returned to the building.. other people had to use the stairs; the elevators had to be kept ready for rutherford.. the jw witnesses denied knowing anything about this.

but in reading the transcript of the trial, one gets the impression that none of the jws wanted to admit anything negative about rutherford, for instance, that rutherford would give "trimmings" (verbal scolding) to individuals at lunchtime was not readily admitted by even clayton woodworth, a person who had direct experience being reprimanded by the "judge"!.

trying to get info from the witnesses appeared to be like squeezing water from a stone!

stev

The book "Apostles of Denial" by Edmond Gruss has 3 letters of Moyle in Appendix B, including the one posted above. Remarkably, Moyle wrote of Rutherford, "I am in a good position to make such protest because your treatment of me has been generally kind, considerate and fair." I wonder at this - why would Rutherford treat Moyle fairly and not others? Moyle was a lawyer, like Rutherford himself, and perhaps Rutherford respected him more or had more in common with him, just a guess. However, afterward, Moyle was disfellowshipped and wrote that Rutherford had spread falsehoods about him, and had not treated him well at all.

VM44 asks "How did it happen?" This is a good question. Russell had already set a precedent for one-man rule of the Society, and received some preferential treatment. However, there remained a tension between one-man rule of the Society and the democratically-run congregations, and the authority of "that servant" and the equality of the brethren. Russell in his Will and Testament desired that the one-man rule come to an end, and planned for the Board and Editorial Committee to come to the fore, but failed to prepare them for their expanded role. After Russell died, there was a struggle between the Pres. Rutherford and Board. Rutherford was following Russell's example, but the Board wished to follow Russell's Will. In hindsight, it is more clear now that control by a Board and Editorial Committee could have restricted spiritual abuse, caused by an authoritarian leader with no accountability. The pattern of Rutherford's management style was consistent from the beginning, and Moyle's letter is line with other accounts of Rutherford. Many times the only proper response to a spiritually abusive leader is to leave, which many did. It seems that the most departures occurred during the later 1920's, probably in response to the 1925 disappointment, but also to Rutherford's attempts to bring the congregations under the Society's control. Several years ago, an elderly gentleman related the story to me that he had in 1914 in Germany started with a few others a Bible Student class, which grew to 75. Rutherford came to visit Germany in the mid-1920's. After hearing him speak, they did not like what they heard, and the entire class ended their association with the Society.

Steve

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Would an Book on Rutherford really be worthwhile?

by VM44 in

i have to make a decision now as to continue researching judge rutherford with a view of writing a book, or just let him go (after all, he died 63 years ago!

what do people here think?.

would a book about rutherford be a worthwhile project?

stev

Anne Baxter as Maria Russell.

AB: Oh, Moses, Moses! Why of all men did I fall in love with the prince of fools? Why must you deny me and yourself?
CH: Because I am bound to a God, and to a people, and to a shepherd girl.
AB: A shepherd girl? What can she be to you unless the desert sun has dulled your senses.
Does she grate garlic on her skin or is it soft as mine? Are her lips chafed and dry as the desert sand or are they moist and red like a pomegranate? Is it the fragrance of myrrh that scents her hair or is it the odor of sheep?
CH: There is a beauty beyond the senses, Nefretiri.