Posts by SimonSays

The JW’s were or are not the only prognosticators of bible truth. While prophets were used in ancient time, Theologians in search of the truth became zealous and anxious to the meaning of Revelation. by the 1800’s. With all that man has been through before 1878 such as the civil war for Americans, and whatever else was going on in your respective countries, pales in comparison to the trials man passed through before that. Before you get confused, I mean by the numbers not actions.

As I continually state: research for yourselves verses accepting what is written in joke facts.

One example comes from this website: http://www.markbeast.com one of many people and religious groups have the same view but get different conclusions. Why because it’s there honest belief that man has but a short time left.

If you have really read the publications of the International Bible Student Association that is linked to Russell and Rutherford, you will find the purpose behind the dates 1925, 1919, etc. Also the IBSA was also interested in other groups that splintered after Russell’s Death, the world conditions and other religious teachings after World War 1.

So study in Dispensationalism, Eschatology, Hermeneutics, brimstone fire, and hellfire so forth and so on to understand the IBSA and just maybe you’ll understand the concept of the 70 jubilee cycle, and then work your way to 1975

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Be honest with me "how soon is soon?"

by Sour Grapes in

the witchtower is being more careful now about putting a date.

out there for the beginning of the great tribulation.

they have learned their lesson from 1975. however they sure.

SimonSays

To the Mayans, it was 2012, however people misunderstood that as well. The Mayans meant the end of a life cycle for them and their calendar.

There is Nostradamus, he concluded the same.

There’s The Catholic: Without the fan far of announcing it, they did it right before your eyes when one Pontiff stepped down and the other took over. What do you think they mean by doing that. The Pope was too sick to continue? NO, every Pope known to us has died at their post in their appointed time. This time however their action was different why? Reference Revelation 11: 3 Yes folks The Catholic hierarchy is preparing for the last days to, but their doing it in secret, so don’t tell, and guess what, that darn number keeps popping up. 1,200 and 3 score = 1,260 X 2=?

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

SimonSays

Not at all, just as I'm not impressed by your collective reasoning. Does anyone remember the Age of Aquarius, Flower Power, Peace Man, Love not War, I have a dream movement, then Vietnam.

https://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/digital/pshistory/bezilla/1960s.html

http://www.middlebury.edu/newsroom/archive/2014/node/468467

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1979/2/79.02.03.x.html

Has anyone read?

The Psychology of American Fascism: The Triumph of the Authoritarian Id

By Mark Jarmuth

These were elements the WT was concerned about. The Awake printed for October 8, 1966 by and large stated on the Cover Page: Why Does God Permit Wickedness.

The Wars and Civil unrest after 1914 and in the 60’s and 70’s were paramount to the WT that had drawn parallels of understanding 1914. The underscore Caption labeled: “How much longer will it be” provided an insight of the year 1975 would conclude the proverbial 6000 years if you understood their time line. Some witnesses took this to mean Armageddon. No, it meant that if, 1914 was correct we’d be seeing the completion of Christ’s admonition of the end times according to Matthew 24: 6-9. The WT also made reference of an article from the New York Times Magazine of August 1, 1954 stating: "The first war closed a long era of general peace and began a new age of violence in which the second war is simply an episode. Since 1914 the world has had a new character. Thus the first World War marks a turning point in modern history."

The WT understood to mean, this generation alone has experienced the fulfillment of this part of the sign Jesus gave, referring to after 1914, on. However as stated some misunderstood and accepted 1975 as literal, not the hypothesis. So if the JW’s still have faith in this belief, then everything that has been seen by man up to now is a fulfillment that would also include such admonition such as Luke 21:7 and 2 Timothy 3:1-13 and that’s the purpose of printing the 1969 article “ Millions now living will never die” drawing from the same parallel.

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

SimonSays

Yes just like in everything written since the inception of written language, to understand the premise, you need the narrative.

Yes I also knew Fred and Ray Franz very well.

Watchtower March 15, 1980 pages 17-18

Caption: Hold to Your Choice!

If we remain faithful, God will not let us make ruinous mistakes. But sometimes he permits us to be in error so that we may see our need to look always to him and his Word. This strengthens our relationship with him and our endurance while waiting. We learn from our mistakes that it is necessary to be more careful in the future. The desire for the new system of things to take complete charge of the earth has always been very strong in Christians down through the centuries. And because of their own short life-span, they doubtless longed for it to come in their particular lifetime. Those who have tried to keep God’s judgment time “close in mind” have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day’s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”

5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

7 Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God’s promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date. What is important is our keeping ever in mind that there is such a day—and it is getting closer and it will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly be “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” (2 Pet. 3:12) It is not a certain date ahead; it is day-to-day living on the part of the Christian that is important. He must not live a single day without having in mind that he is under Jehovah’s loving care and direction and must submit himself thereto, keeping also in mind that he must account for his acts.

Jehovah’s Witness Yearbook 1980

Caption: THE “LIVING HOPE” CONVENTION

Many were the fine, up building talks that were given, but space permits touching on just a few of these. The 100-year record of The Watchtower and of those associated with it as ‘messengers of hope’ was not only enlightening but most encouraging. The talk dealing with our conscience directed the pointed counsel to those who blithely say, “It doesn’t bother my conscience.” That talk showed how important it is to make certain what God’s Word has to say about a matter, and how it will affect our brothers as well as what effect it might have on ourselves. And because of the inroads that the world’s unclean spirit is making among some of God’s people, other talks stressed the Christian requirements of chasteness, self-control and “holy acts of conduct.”

Many were the appreciative comments heard on the symposium dealing with “Soundness of Mind in a Mixed-up World.” These talks underscored the value of cultivating a realistic view of life; of forming trusted relations with Jehovah God and our brothers; of strengthening our Bible-based hope and the will to live, as well as of allowing for variety and recreation in one’s life. A fine point made in the talk “Choosing the Best Way of Life” was that Jehovah God will save us from stumbling—even as he did David in the case of Nabal’s insolence—but we must do our part. The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society’s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975.

“Christlike Modesty—Evidence of Wisdom” made the point that modesty means to be aware of one’s limitations. The Bible shows that God is humble, but since he is without limitations the term modesty does not appropriately apply to him. Then again, a Christian may be humble and yet not be fully aware of his limitations, as in the case of the apostle Peter.—Ps. 18:35; Mark 14:27-31, 66-72.

The heartwarming message contained in the public talk, “Mankind’s Only Hope—God’s Unshakable Kingdom,” also elicited many expressions of appreciation. And ending the convention on a very positive and encouraging note was the final discourse, “Spurred on by Our Living Hope.”

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

SimonSays

Research the Watchtower March 15, 1980 pages 17-18 U.S. version

Yearbook 1980 pages 30-31 U.S. version. As well as what was written in the Watchtower in 1976.

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

SimonSays

Promoting jwfacts as irrefutable truth once again. The objective words is “imply” for those that didn’t understand the significance of 1975. Research!!!

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

SimonSays

When the book Life Everlasting came out. To those JW’s that understood, the WT was attempting to draw parallels to man’s existence, the 7 millennium. But just like everything else, those JW’s that were new or didn’t understand the premise took 1975 to mean the fulfillment of Christ presence and overstepped their expectations, by overshadowing what had been published earlier.

But if you consider the Watchtower of 1976, it was made clear about the disappointment which the WT never shied away from. I guess you would have to have been there to fully appreciate the meaning of 1975 rather than what you read in jwfacts.

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Jehovah Witnesses accept 2000 year old Scripture , yet reject writings of C.T.Russell the founder of the religion.of 136 years ago.?

by smiddy in

is not this ironic ?

that they can claim to believe something that was written 2000 years ago and base their life and some cases their death on it , yet disown writings of the modern day founders of their religion such as c.t.russell , the so called first president of the i.b.s.a.

, later re-named jehovah witness.. and the same fate awaits the so called second president of now re-named jehovah witnesses ,if the writings ,books ,tracts ,etc .still exist in the library you sooner or later will be quizzed as to why you want to read them , it will be discouraged , and if you persist you will be brought before the elders .. so what are they afraid of people learning ?

SimonSays

To understand, Jehovah’s Witnesses is the only religion that has changed doctrine upon their new understanding that comes as man increases its understanding and knowledge.

The Protestants are the same as Catholics, Roman Catholics, Anglicism, or Orthodox not to mention the Episcopal Protestant. There are no doctrine changes there.

The Mormons are the same as the Mennonites, or the Amish. There’s no doctrine difference.

The Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, and Pentecostal are the same. There’s no doctrine difference.

Got it!

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Jehovah kicks a puppy

by Simon in

technically incorrect, but effectively he does .... if we're to believe the genesis account the serpent deceived eve and made her eat of the tree of knowledge.

it all went pear shaped from there on in, although most people believe it was an apple (boom tish).. but anyway .... either it was a literal serpent that could talk on it's own behalf or, as people typically believe, it was satan who was the puppet master and possessing the creature.. the first raises all sorts of questions that contradict the whole bible narrative (another creature that could reason, talk, debate existence and law etc...) so let's go with "the satan theory".. how does got react to his 'perfect' creation immediately being completely imperfect as soon as he takes it out of the box?

(he's like 0 for 4 ... satan, serpent, woman, man ... all break his rules).

SimonSays

HaSatan

The name HaSatan, (satan) - and the feminine form Sitnah: - come from theverb (satan) meaning to resist or be an adversary and is used six times in scripture,

for instance in Psalm 38:20, where it reads: '...they me because good follows me.')

The noun (satan) is used much more frequently.

N fS = Satan

c Sheen - is a picture of teeth and communicates the idea of devouring, consuming,

or destroying.

T Tet - is a picture of something coiled like a serpent and carries the idea of thecontrast of distinguishing between good and evil.

N Nun - is a picture of a fish and can represent something that is perpetual and or

eternal and is symbolic of life.

when we put it all together we can see the devouring consuming snake is seeking to

destroy man by convincing him that evil is good that in doing so as man partakes of evil

it will warp his ability to distinguish between the two thereby robbing him of his eternal

existence and forfeiting a life with HWHY (Yahuah).

HaSatan tempts a man to give up "all" to gain what he thinks he might want, need or

even what he might think is "good" for the gain of his own soul and ends up forfeiting

his life to get it.

For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or

Matthew 16:26

what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

As man thought once to give up his life in order to gain. Christ asks him to do it again...Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will

Luke 17:33

preserve it.

HaSatan (Hebrew: ה ש ןט ha-Satan ("the accuser"); Persian "sheytan"; Arabic:

ناطيشلا al-Shaitan ("the adversary") both from the Semitic root: Ś-Ṭ-N) is an