My question is, what does genocide that this entire world is guilty of one way or another, just like the British in the 19 century to protect the Crown as it were has to do with the WT. Since you specifically state the USA, Are you related to Piers Morgan? Mate!!
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Question for people who believe in Evolution
by ttte36 inthough school i did religious education and my teacher who was religious ruled out evolution because humans are the only creatures who do not want to die, can anyone who understands evolution explain this?.
im 99% on to the theory of evolution, this is just the last stumbling block..
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Well for evolutionist, the climax would be the confirmation of the Higgs Boson. Science has been trying since 1964 to confirm the miracle of man. It’s only been 51 years in its logic. Although if proven, not only will it dispel the notion of creation, but evolution to. The conclusion that man achieved the God Particle would imply the existence of a higher being. Not God, Perhaps a Theoretical physicist a singular genius with a God complex, and he has been playing with creation for over 100,000,000 billion years according to Degrassi’s insight of the universe, and it took our species (MAN) this long to conclude the same. That means we have become the God complex (MULTIPLE)-(LUCA) for the next cycle of life after ours is complete (HUMAN). So what’s next? How would Human existence interact with the originator or first achievement in order not to be recycled as an intellectual species that is attempting to occupy the same space since the first God Particle has extinct all other creations according to man’s understanding of natural history.
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Thank you for redirecting me to the right organization!
by economy inthank you, jw.net and cofty, for redirecting me to the right organization!.
when i posted why did god permit scriptures to be corrupted?
then i thought, if there is an organization that believes all scriptures are corrupted (which obviously makes it enemy of all religions), that organization is not ordinary, but gutsy, lionhearted, and worthy of close examination!
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You guys seem to have missed the point. The original teaching of heighten enlightenment was started by the Hare Krishna. In their belief the soul must be cleansed through levels of enlightenment. However it sounds this offshoot group achieves that in 7 days of cleansing. Since it takes a life time to achieve that goal, these guys go from 0-60 without receiving the benefit of their mistaken concept. This would be more suitable to atheism, purification of the soul verses spiritual awakening.
Lord Krishna, Source of Immortal Wisdom:
Who are we? What is the purpose of our living through one lifetime after another? What is freedom all about, and how can we achieve it?
It's natural for us to ask ourselves these questions. Fifty centuries ago, a great warrior named Arjuna placed them before Lord Krishna.
Though Krishna, transcendent, exists beyond the limits of time, space, and matter, He had come to this world to play the role of Arjuna's charioteer--and to enlighten him.
At the onset of a battle, a battle between Arjuna and his own friends and relatives, Arjuna lost his composure. Surveying the two armies, he was overwhelmed by the pointlessness of what was about to occur. His skin shivering, his mind reeling, tears welling into his eyes, he dropped his bow and sank to the seat of the chariot.
Then, in the midst of the two armies, Lord Krishna spoke to Arjuna the words that have come down to us as the book known as Bhagvad-gita.
Lord Krishna spoke about the meaning of life, the subtle workings of creation, and the understanding of a self- realized soul. He spoke of the science of yoga in all its forms--the path of work, the path of knowledge, the path of mysticism, the path of devotion.
And at last Lord Krishna revealed Himself before Arjuna as the source of everything, the eternal form of the Supreme, the Personality of Godhead.
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1975 failed prediction?
by Garrett inheyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
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The Story as told by T. E. Klein. Caption: Pursuing My Purpose in Life, Watchtower of June 1, 1957
The story as told by Carey W. Barber. Caption: Endurance by Faith in Jehovah Watchtower August 15, 1982
The Story as told by Karl F. Klein, Caption: Jehovah Has Dealt Rewardingly with Me Watchtower October 1, 1984
[Footnotes]
Carey Barber was playing second violin in that orchestra. Little did either of us think that 58 years later we would still be in the same “orchestra” but making a different kind of music!
Regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, “I made an ass of myself.”
1974 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, pages 130-1.
Caption: Organized preaching work
The assumption is overreaching since it could have meant them other bible students, or Rutherford but for a different reason in1925 or even Russell. It’s a shame that Mrs. Klein is not around to ask what she meant by that statement since Witnesses were going through may harsh trials around that time, many perpetrated by the Catholic Church. Whoever “Could Expect” is far from “Will expect” Since its all word play in this forum.
The same assumption or speculation misinterpreted in 1975.
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For God/Truth Seekers Only!
by Nicola.threeangelsmessage infor the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.
the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.
thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).
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Then the question should be, what theoretical manipulation of RNA has to do with your collective reasoning of creation.
At what point did this theory of the so called universal RNA (DNA) decide to manipulate itself to form different strands of DNA or just one, and attached itself to the 3rd planet from the SUN. Hypothetically, it could have done that to any planet in this solar system or any other cognate system
If man can manipulate the RNA of humans, plants, and animals now, then man should have been in the moon over 6000 years ago to celebrate that achievement. Since intelligence cannot over power intelligence. Since it just came to mankind by most part in the 19-21 centuries, then you cannot dispel the notion of a higher being coming into play. Is that higher being God, Alien, Gods, or a very smart theoretical physicist, born 100,000,000 billion years ago?
Since we have a book that categorized that for us by and large at the very least from written language, it would be difficult to surmise, man carried this higher intelligence without first experiencing it.
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1975 failed prediction?
by Garrett inheyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
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Correction: pales in comparison to the trials man passed through before that.
It should read, pales in comparison to the trials man has passed through after 1914 on
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1975 failed prediction?
by Garrett inheyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
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The JW’s were or are not the only prognosticators of bible truth. While prophets were used in ancient time, Theologians in search of the truth became zealous and anxious to the meaning of Revelation. by the 1800’s. With all that man has been through before 1878 such as the civil war for Americans, and whatever else was going on in your respective countries, pales in comparison to the trials man passed through before that. Before you get confused, I mean by the numbers not actions.
As I continually state: research for yourselves verses accepting what is written in joke facts.
One example comes from this website: http://www.markbeast.com one of many people and religious groups have the same view but get different conclusions. Why because it’s there honest belief that man has but a short time left.
If you have really read the publications of the International Bible Student Association that is linked to Russell and Rutherford, you will find the purpose behind the dates 1925, 1919, etc. Also the IBSA was also interested in other groups that splintered after Russell’s Death, the world conditions and other religious teachings after World War 1.
So study in Dispensationalism, Eschatology, Hermeneutics, brimstone fire, and hellfire so forth and so on to understand the IBSA and just maybe you’ll understand the concept of the 70 jubilee cycle, and then work your way to 1975
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Be honest with me "how soon is soon?"
by Sour Grapes inthe witchtower is being more careful now about putting a date.
out there for the beginning of the great tribulation.
they have learned their lesson from 1975. however they sure.
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To the Mayans, it was 2012, however people misunderstood that as well. The Mayans meant the end of a life cycle for them and their calendar.
There is Nostradamus, he concluded the same.
There’s The Catholic: Without the fan far of announcing it, they did it right before your eyes when one Pontiff stepped down and the other took over. What do you think they mean by doing that. The Pope was too sick to continue? NO, every Pope known to us has died at their post in their appointed time. This time however their action was different why? Reference Revelation 11: 3 Yes folks The Catholic hierarchy is preparing for the last days to, but their doing it in secret, so don’t tell, and guess what, that darn number keeps popping up. 1,200 and 3 score = 1,260 X 2=?
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1975 failed prediction?
by Garrett inheyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
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Not at all, just as I'm not impressed by your collective reasoning. Does anyone remember the Age of Aquarius, Flower Power, Peace Man, Love not War, I have a dream movement, then Vietnam.
https://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/digital/pshistory/bezilla/1960s.html
http://www.middlebury.edu/newsroom/archive/2014/node/468467
http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1979/2/79.02.03.x.html
Has anyone read?
The Psychology of American Fascism: The Triumph of the Authoritarian Id
By Mark Jarmuth
These were elements the WT was concerned about. The Awake printed for October 8, 1966 by and large stated on the Cover Page: Why Does God Permit Wickedness.
The Wars and Civil unrest after 1914 and in the 60’s and 70’s were paramount to the WT that had drawn parallels of understanding 1914. The underscore Caption labeled: “How much longer will it be” provided an insight of the year 1975 would conclude the proverbial 6000 years if you understood their time line. Some witnesses took this to mean Armageddon. No, it meant that if, 1914 was correct we’d be seeing the completion of Christ’s admonition of the end times according to Matthew 24: 6-9. The WT also made reference of an article from the New York Times Magazine of August 1, 1954 stating: "The first war closed a long era of general peace and began a new age of violence in which the second war is simply an episode. Since 1914 the world has had a new character. Thus the first World War marks a turning point in modern history."
The WT understood to mean, this generation alone has experienced the fulfillment of this part of the sign Jesus gave, referring to after 1914, on. However as stated some misunderstood and accepted 1975 as literal, not the hypothesis. So if the JW’s still have faith in this belief, then everything that has been seen by man up to now is a fulfillment that would also include such admonition such as Luke 21:7 and 2 Timothy 3:1-13 and that’s the purpose of printing the 1969 article “ Millions now living will never die” drawing from the same parallel.
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1975 failed prediction?
by Garrett inheyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
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Yes just like in everything written since the inception of written language, to understand the premise, you need the narrative.
Yes I also knew Fred and Ray Franz very well.
Watchtower March 15, 1980 pages 17-18
Caption: Hold to Your Choice!
If we remain faithful, God will not let us make ruinous mistakes. But sometimes he permits us to be in error so that we may see our need to look always to him and his Word. This strengthens our relationship with him and our endurance while waiting. We learn from our mistakes that it is necessary to be more careful in the future. The desire for the new system of things to take complete charge of the earth has always been very strong in Christians down through the centuries. And because of their own short life-span, they doubtless longed for it to come in their particular lifetime. Those who have tried to keep God’s judgment time “close in mind” have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day’s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”
5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.
6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.
7 Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God’s promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date. What is important is our keeping ever in mind that there is such a day—and it is getting closer and it will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly be “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” (2 Pet. 3:12) It is not a certain date ahead; it is day-to-day living on the part of the Christian that is important. He must not live a single day without having in mind that he is under Jehovah’s loving care and direction and must submit himself thereto, keeping also in mind that he must account for his acts.
Jehovah’s Witness Yearbook 1980
Caption: THE “LIVING HOPE” CONVENTION
Many were the fine, up building talks that were given, but space permits touching on just a few of these. The 100-year record of The Watchtower and of those associated with it as ‘messengers of hope’ was not only enlightening but most encouraging. The talk dealing with our conscience directed the pointed counsel to those who blithely say, “It doesn’t bother my conscience.” That talk showed how important it is to make certain what God’s Word has to say about a matter, and how it will affect our brothers as well as what effect it might have on ourselves. And because of the inroads that the world’s unclean spirit is making among some of God’s people, other talks stressed the Christian requirements of chasteness, self-control and “holy acts of conduct.”
Many were the appreciative comments heard on the symposium dealing with “Soundness of Mind in a Mixed-up World.” These talks underscored the value of cultivating a realistic view of life; of forming trusted relations with Jehovah God and our brothers; of strengthening our Bible-based hope and the will to live, as well as of allowing for variety and recreation in one’s life. A fine point made in the talk “Choosing the Best Way of Life” was that Jehovah God will save us from stumbling—even as he did David in the case of Nabal’s insolence—but we must do our part. The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society’s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975.
“Christlike Modesty—Evidence of Wisdom” made the point that modesty means to be aware of one’s limitations. The Bible shows that God is humble, but since he is without limitations the term modesty does not appropriately apply to him. Then again, a Christian may be humble and yet not be fully aware of his limitations, as in the case of the apostle Peter.—Ps. 18:35; Mark 14:27-31, 66-72.
The heartwarming message contained in the public talk, “Mankind’s Only Hope—God’s Unshakable Kingdom,” also elicited many expressions of appreciation. And ending the convention on a very positive and encouraging note was the final discourse, “Spurred on by Our Living Hope.”