Posts by SimonSays

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If you found out TTATT at 80 and spent your entire life at Bethel, what would you do?

by John Aquila in

would you do a ray franz deal and write a book or keep quiet and live out the rest of your life in bethel?.

would you keep reading the watchtower magazine?.

Rutherford, Knorr or Franz - Who has the most influence on doctrine & process now?

by konceptual99 in

so, i was thinking - who of the above still has the most influence on current wts doctrine and dogma?.

rutherford obviously created the smokescreen around 1914/607 but overall his work has been superseded i would suggest.. knorr created the various schools and they or their offspring still live on.

wasn't it during his tenure that all the blood doctrine, types/anti types (now chucked away of course), transplants etc came along?

SimonSays

From the above list, I would say The God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac along with Jesus.

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What is Your Brainwashing IQ ? Take the Quiz

by Finkelstein in

so how much do you understand about brainwashing, its application and effects ?

essentially lures people into its grasps and then brainwashes them for exploitation and manipulative purposes by using mental indoctrination techniques.. here's a quick quiz to take to answer some of these questions.

http://voicesfordignity.com/brainwashing-iq/.

SimonSays

Finkelstein:
Sorry about your score SimonSays
I'm lost for words

It’s not a big surprise. The way the questions were framed was to find the bias of the person nothing more. Injection of algorithms into a scientific study with only a true or false question is simply being subjective into the persons concluded bias.

The term brainwashing being the least objective then becomes more subjective.

A simple analogy one can experience in a first or second grade level of education with placing the correct shape peg in the adjacent slot.

In this case, the exploitation in its self becomes evident, which in itself amounts to brainwashing by having subjective questions.

An idiom of a Square peg in a round hole analogy.

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What is Your Brainwashing IQ ? Take the Quiz

by Finkelstein in

so how much do you understand about brainwashing, its application and effects ?

essentially lures people into its grasps and then brainwashes them for exploitation and manipulative purposes by using mental indoctrination techniques.. here's a quick quiz to take to answer some of these questions.

http://voicesfordignity.com/brainwashing-iq/.

SimonSays

Well this explains 3 things

1. 1. Science is irrelevant

2. 2. People can’t judge others only upon their own perceptions.

1. Brainwashing statistically has been in the same realm as a psychologist, man can’t judge book by its cover. I’m sure many of you have heard they old say.

1.

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Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet in

the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

SimonSays

May your quest for history by blessed with insight, Have a good day.

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Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet in

the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

SimonSays

The point I am making is between the bias tones your assertions made with political affiliation, which by your own admittance is your goal.

Bible students or Jehovah’s Witnesses have never been a party or affiliated politically to any business of or government. These outlandish accusations have a habit of spiraling out of control to a point of contention by people being mislead. This include governments.

If your argument is simply “Erich Frost” which by unconfirmed outside sources you speak of amount to nothing more that tabloid news.

I have read many accounts of this issue. I also know the possible sources of your claim.

"Die Falschspieler Gottes"; the primary source for it is:-

"Haftbuch Nr. 292, Gestapo Berlin, Dienststelle II B 2"

The problem here is unconfirmed sources, and I will also add that if such facts were viable, then what was the situation with Fehst that people believe Frost gave up these people to the Gestapo. Furthermore with this speculation, can we know for a fact that it wasn’t Fehst himself to do this atrocity and blamed it on Frost? There are too many unknowns.

Artur Nawroth
Otto Dauth
Fred Meier
Walter Friese
Heinrich Ditschi
Albert Wandres
Karl Siebeneichler (perished in Sachsenhausen)

By all accounts, I could in retrospect make such assertions about the Catholic Church. I also have documentation to support such actions by the RCC toward the bible students, But there unconfirmed reports and letters. So my stance is logical unless you can prove otherwise to be making wild accusations.

Thank you

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The real issue is long term solvency.

by joe134cd in

ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

SimonSays

d4g

That’s an agreeable and fair assessment.

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587 vs 607: JW sources only

by wifibandit in

the latest jw podcast has inspired me to update the copypasta comment that i post anytime this topic comes up.. i have formatted it to more closely follow the wonderful www.jwfacts.com table.

i have also added a few more links directly to the jw online library.

"evil-merodach reigned two years" w65 1/1 p. 29.

SimonSays

then Cyrus most likely made his decree in the planting season which allowed the Jewish people time to prepare and go back to Jerusalem by the last harvest in Addaru (Babylonian)-Adar (Jewish)-February/March (Julian).

I made a mistake and forgot to conclude the calendar year, February/March of 537BC.

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587 vs 607: JW sources only

by wifibandit in

the latest jw podcast has inspired me to update the copypasta comment that i post anytime this topic comes up.. i have formatted it to more closely follow the wonderful www.jwfacts.com table.

i have also added a few more links directly to the jw online library.

"evil-merodach reigned two years" w65 1/1 p. 29.

SimonSays

Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!

You have the starting point square at 539B.C.

J.B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern texts rel, 3rd ed. (Princeton University Press, 1969)

A.K. Grayson, Babylonian and Assyrian chronicle (Locust Valley, J.J. Augustin, 1975)

September/October 539 BC the Persian and Babylonian armies met at Opis, east of the Tigris. Cyrus was victorious, the cities of Sippar and Babylon surrendered, Nabonidus was captured, and the Persian king entered Babylon as the new ruler.

Even though you don’t show secular reasoning to establish timeline, there seems to be acceptance of secular time frame. So if you’re willing to accept the Babylonian army simply gave up in 539BC. Then, this would be a point of debate.

Now the lunar/solar cycle to my reckoning started later around 5 BC. Before, it was lunar. There’s also some confusion that certain Kings would suggest the start of the calendar year.

So without having access to the above books, I would be able to calculate with more certainty that will suggest the Babylonians surrendered in 538BC, thus bring into line the decree given by Cyrus the Great in that year in the month of Nissannu (Babylonian)-Nissan (Jewish)-March/April (Julian) which was the harvest of onions season. Since it was harvest time, then Cyrus most likely made his decree in the planting season which allowed the Jewish people time to prepare and go back to Jerusalem by the last harvest in Addaru (Babylonian)-Adar (Jewish)-February/March (Julian).

When people make argument of calendar years, they automatically have a mindset of confusing year tables. While the Julian calendar runs from January-December 12 months, The Babylonian and Jewish calendar runs from March-February 12 months.

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The real issue is long term solvency.

by joe134cd in

ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

SimonSays

believe the purpose of the WTS money grab is to build a huge investment portfolio that will allow them to be self-sustaining financially. Donations may wane in tough economic times, but investments keep paying interest.

I agree with DoC. Does anyone know if the WTS has any type of incidental insurance that protect corporations? I believe the term squander the money is presumptuous.

By long term solvency and survival maybe you meant sustainable. If you did, Perhaps you aren't aware that one of the first things a "sustainable" business would do is try to retain talent, creative people with critical skills

The talent is in the structure of the WTS, aside from that, many talents are utilized for different purposes. Remember this is a Religious Organization, not ABC broadcasting.