In the 15 October 1995 Watchtower the Society brought out 'new light' that although Christ sat down as King in 1914, but he did not sit down on his 'glorious throne' mentioned at Matt 25: 31 in that year.
I can’t understand why the Society bothered to make this change in 1995? This change was in some ways more damaging to them than the ‘generation’ change, because the Society essentially sawed off the branch they were sitting on by announcing this 1995 ‘new light’. Let me explain:
What this change meant is that Matthew 24: 30 & 31 (Jesus coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory) and Matthew 25: 31-33 (Jesus arrives in glory to sit on his glorious throne) are BOTH to be fulfilled in the future, whereas previously Matt 25: 31-33 was stated to have been in fulfillment from 1914.
This change forces JW’s to accept a GLARING CONTRADICTION about Jesus arrival and coming spoken of in Matthew 24 & 25.
Here is the striking contradiction: The Society relies almost exclusively on Matthew 24: 45-47 for it’s authority. It repeats this passage of scripture frequently to assert its leadership over JW’s. It states that in 1914-19 Jesus appointed the Watchtower Society as his faithful and discreet slave, as spoken of in Matthew 24: 45-47. Now compare Matt 24: 46, 46 with Matthew 25: 31
Matthew 24: 46 + 47 reads: “Happy is that slave if his master on ARRIVING finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.”
NOTICE: These scriptures are taught by the Society to have been fulfilled SINCE 1914-19!
“Matt 25: 31 reads: “When the Son of man ARRIVES in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.”
NOTICE: From 1995, this scripture is taught by the Society to have a FUTURE FULFILLMENT!
This striking contradiction completely undermines the Society’s proclamations that from 1914-1919 onwards Jesus appointed them exclusively over ‘all his belongings’ in fulfillment of Matt 24: 45-47. The Society's entire authority structure rests almost exclusively on this claim, a claim they repeat frequently.
There are other passages in Matthew 25 that talk about the ‘arrival’ of the groom, etc, which are also still linked to 1914 by the Watchtower Society. Plus, the Society insists that Jesus' ‘presence’ referred to in Matt 24: 39 also started in 1914. Yet both passages where Jesus specifically describes his arrival and coming (Matt 24: 30 & 31 & 25: 31-33) as a glorious king are BOTH said to have FUTURE events!!!
These disturbing contradictions in how the Society treats Jesus’ words about his own arrival and coming has gone almost completely unnoticed by JW’s. In fact, the Society appears to have deliberately announced this 1995 ‘new light’ about the throne Jesus sits on in Matt 25: 31-33 at the same time as the change to the understanding of ‘this generation’ in a deliberately to divert attention away from this damaging contradiction. By bringing out the ‘generation’ change around the same time as this change about Matt 25: 31-33, attention was diverted from the contradictory mess that the Society had created about the timing of Jesus arrival. The gross incompatibility of Jesus arriving in the future to sit on his throne at Matt 25: 31 with his arriving to reward the faithful and discreet slave was buried under all the attention focused on the ‘generation change’.
With this 1995 new light the Society basically sawed off the very branch they were sitting on by claiming that Jesus' arrival in Matt 24: 45-47 to appoint them as the 'faithful and discreet slave' occurred in 1914-19.
Clearly, Jesus has not yet arrived to reward any faithful and discreet slaves.
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Glaring contradiction between 1995 new light and Society's authority as FDS
by yaddayadda inin the 15 october 1995 watchtower the society brought out 'new light' that although christ sat down as king in 1914, but he did not sit down on his 'glorious throne' mentioned at matt 25: 31 in that year.
i cant understand why the society bothered to make this change in 1995?
this change was in some ways more damaging to them than the generation change, because the society essentially sawed off the branch they were sitting on by announcing this 1995 new light.
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New Light Coming?
by dontomas inhi - i have jw friends (really!
) and have gone to kh for some talks and study every couple of weeks.
things like the new watchtower policy, selling buildings (i am from nyc and know the heights well - that will make a boatload of money), the sex abuse settlements, drop in membership and donations, and some of the changes i have seen in the magazine (the annointed qfr, for example).
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Dedpoet, that proves my point. Sometimes the Society brings in 'new light' even when there is no 'need' to in terms of numbers, finances, stats. The 'generation' change was a classic example. Statistically and financially they were cruising along very nicely in the mid-1990s, yet they brought in this change anyway. Why? Because doctrinally they were forced too, having painted themselves into a corner through stating in their publication for decades that 'this generation' was a literal, measurable, human generation that started in 1914.
What this means is that the only time the Society announces any 'new light' appears to be when they have tied themselves to some interpretation that father time exposes as erroneous.
The recent 'new light' about the heavenly calling not ceasing in 1935 is another example when they have had to correct a false time-based interpretation. -
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Does Anybody Read The Bible Here Anymore???
by minimus ini don't.
it's not that i won't.
funny thing, is i've collected over 100 different bible versions and translations..
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yaddayadda
Do you mean read for its own sake or read only selected texts referred to in relation to some online discussion? If the former, occassionally, and often for the latter.
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Why 6 Billion People Deserve to Die in Armageddon
by Leolaia injehovah is such a righteous, merciful, loving god -- slow to anger, overflowing with loving kindness and blessing.
yet it somehow bothers many of you that he will shortly execute his judgment on mankind and wipe out 99.9% of the world's population, as if that somehow is supposed to conflict with his loving qualities.
personally, i have no idea why many of you feel this way.
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Well it jolly well serves them right because they didn't read the small print. We Vogons can't be blamed. We gave copies of the order for Armageddon in triplicate.
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New Light Coming?
by dontomas inhi - i have jw friends (really!
) and have gone to kh for some talks and study every couple of weeks.
things like the new watchtower policy, selling buildings (i am from nyc and know the heights well - that will make a boatload of money), the sex abuse settlements, drop in membership and donations, and some of the changes i have seen in the magazine (the annointed qfr, for example).
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The only flaw in your reasoning Metatron is that the Society have announced new light many times in the past when they didn't really 'need' to. Did they need to make the 1995 new light about this generation and the sheep and the goats separation? They were statistically doing better then than they are now, yet they still brought in new light.
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Did you ever end a relationship because you were a JW?
by TheCoolerKing ina few years before i left the jws for good, i broke off a relationship with my worldly girlfriend.
we were in love, but i ended it because i felt guilty and wanted to be a good dub.
then about three years after we broke up, i left the org.
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yaddayadda
Yes, good thread. I feel your pain dude.
I have pushed quite a few really nice girls away because I was a good little dub and couldn't see a future with them. Now I've just turned 40, am single and am starting to feel panicky about my chances of meeting a marriageable woman in the world who wants children, etc. I think about what life could have been like if I'd just been a normal, happy person without judging everyone I came across because they weren't a dub.
Not only has being a dub retarded me career-wise (not reaching my academic potential when I was younger and not getting into a serious career younger) but it can seriously stunt you relationship-wise also.
I'm also coming out of a few years of mild depression, confusion and feeling lost since breaking free from the dubs and am now ready to form healthy relationships out in the 'world' and hopefully find that special someone sooner rather than later. Life begins at 40! (I hope).
cheers
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Watchtower Bait and Switch
by WTWizard inhow many times have you seen articles in the asleep magazines about chocolate, coffee, some exotic plant or animal, or something that smacks of entertainment?
why would these articles be in a religious publication in the first place, especially one that is in the process of totally banning all entertainment?.
for one thing, having these articles is supposed to make the religion appear to tolerate and even condone a certain level of entertainment, and even participate to a degree.
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yaddayadda
The version of the 2006 resolution you refer to in that old thread is innaccurate. JW's are not on the path to banning entertainment, coffee, chocolate, etc. In fact you could easily pull up dozens of WT quotes that plainly state we all need a measure of leisure and entertainment, and chocolate, coffee, etc, are all fine in moderation.
Might pay to check your facts a bit more thoroughly dude. Don't want to be guilty of the same tactics the Watchtower is guilty of now would we. -
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The Spanking Hall?
by WTWizard inchildren in the jehovah's witness religion really have it hard.
to compare, look at other churches.
most of them have sunday school, and this is geared to children that are not able to really comprehend the deeper things.
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yaddayadda
LOL at the title of this thread
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Why does the WTS insist everyone sign up for the Ministerial School ?
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini never enjoyed giving # 2 talks.
i never enjoyed being at a podium and speaking.
i took drama in high school just to get over the fear of being in front of people and speaking.
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I think you are spot on Bob, absolutely spot on.
And something else: "...not being able to be baptized unless you were fully immersed in all WT activities."
This makes my blood boil. It really is disgusting that they will not allow someone to get baptized unless they conform to certain extra-scriptural organisation requirements. -
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Some important questions re the child abuse settlement
by yaddayadda inare there more cases presently in the pipeline or has this settlement cleared them all out?
has this settlement opened the litigation floodgates to many more claims and is the society trembling in its boots over this?
or is the society safe for a few more years?
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No one cares about the answers to these questions?