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  The Fulfillment of Matthew 24:14 - What Does It Mean For You?

  by Nosferatu in

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  lol!

  i can't wait for that wt magazine to come out.

  yeah, i know, another thread on matt 24:14.. but it's not about the prophecy, it's about how it's going to affect us if this is going to be a worldwide blast of new light.

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  yaddayadda

  I find it almost impossible to believe that this is the official Watchtower position. The speaker was probably a maverick, indulging in personal speculation.
  
  The whole organisation revolves entirely around maintaining a sense of 'urgency' and keeping JW's actively out there placing literature, in obedience to their 'commission' at Matt 24: 14
  
  I'm not holding my breath on any 'new light' coming out in a future Watchtower on this.
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  The 2014 Yeartext will be...

  by yaddayadda in

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  ...habakkuk 2:3 - "for the vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie.

  even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true.

  my die-hard jw mother just loves this scripture.

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  yaddayadda

  ...Habakkuk 2:3 - "For the vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late."
  
  My die-hard JW mother just loves this scripture. She admits that the 'end' should have come by now and that this might mean the 1914 teaching is flawed, but she rationalises her doubts away by viewing this scripture with some kind of prophetic significance in relation to the organization, believing that JW's are now in some kind of 'delay' period.
  
  I've heard other JW's, including speakers on the platform, use this scripture to try and allay growing concerns about how long this system is dragging on.
  
  My prediction is that there will be an increasing emphasis on this scripture by the WTS until eventually it will be announced as being literally fulfilled right now (if it hasn't already).
  
  Can anyone tell me if the Society appear to be highlighting this notion in the last few years. I only have the Watchtower CD-rom up to 1999. Here's the best quotes I could find from 1999 Watchtowers:
  
  *** w99 1/1 17 "Make Your Hearts Firm" ***
  7 Abraham’s example reminds us that faith should not be just for a short term. Paul linked faith to endurance when he wrote: “You have need of endurance, in order that, after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise. . . . We are not the sort that shrink back to destruction, but the sort that have faith to the preserving alive of the soul.” (Hebrews 10:36-39) Many have waited a long time for the fulfillment of the promise. Some have waited a whole lifetime. Their strong faith has sustained them. And, like Abraham, they will receive the reward in Jehovah’s due time.—Habakkuk 2:3.
  
  
  *** w99 10/1 5 "For Everything There Is an Appointed Time" ***
  3 For example, mature Christians loyally wait for Jehovah’s appointed time for certain Bible prophecies to be fulfilled. They stay busy in his service, all the while keeping clearly in mind the principle of Lamentations 3:26: “Good it is that one should wait, even silently, for the salvation of Jehovah.” (Compare Habakkuk 3:16.) At the same time, they are convinced that Jehovah’s announced execution of judgment, “even if it should delay, . . . will without fail come true. It will not be late.”—Habakkuk 2:3.
  
  
  *** w99 10/1 21 You Can Endure to the End ***
  Moreover, the end may at times seem farther away than we expected, particularly if we entered the race decades ago. Yet, God’s Word assures us that the end will come. Jehovah says it will not be late. The end is in sight.—Habakkuk 2:3; 2 Peter 3:9, 10.
  
  
  *** w99 12/15 21 Let Us Be the Sort That Have Faith ***
  8 Habakkuk did not know how close the destruction of Jerusalem was. Similarly, the first-century Christians did not know when the Jewish system of things would end. Nor do we today know the “day and hour” when Jehovah’s judgment will come against this wicked system. (Matthew 24:36) Let us note, then, Jehovah’s twofold answer to Habakkuk. First, he assured the prophet that the end would come right on time. “It will not be late,” God said, even though from a human standpoint, it might appear to delay. (Habakkuk 2:3) Second, Jehovah reminded Habakkuk: “As for the righteous one, by his faithfulness he will keep living.” (Habakkuk 2:4) What beautiful, simple truths! What matters most is, not when the end comes, but whether we continue to live a life of faith.
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  Do you sense the need to defeat or destroy the Watchtower lessening? I do.

  by nicolaou in

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  despite all the shunning crap - or perhaps because of it - i feel less inclined to take positive action against the watchtower these days.

  perhaps it's just a temporary malaise or maybe it's that the organisation i looked up to for so long now seems small, petty and trivial and frankly i just don't want to waste my time and energy on it.. what do you think..

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  yaddayadda

  Could someone explain exactly how the '1995 generation' change amounted to a 'retraction' of the 1914 doctrine?
  
  I'd say the 1995 change is better seen as a big nail in the coffin of their 1914 chronology rather than any kind of 'retraction' per se.
  
  The 1995 change evidently caused many to wonder about the truthfulness of the 1914 teaching, but evidently those at the WTS, including the GB, nearly all still believe it hook, line, and sinker.
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  Watchtower never took preaching work seriously!!

  by proplog2 in

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  there has been a lot of discussion about the claim that the gb feel they have fullfilled their obligation to preach.. this would be no surprise.

  jesus said if you want to really do what is right you need to sell your property and give to the poor.

  and then... you could follow jesus.. after pentecost there was an arrangement where an individual could sell his property and give the proceeds to the apostles.

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  yaddayadda

  Very intersting Proplog.
  
  Didn't the disciples say "we have left everything".
  
  Re the Mormons, don't they actually financially support the young missionary 'elders' when doing their two-year stint? I recall one of them telling me that they had all their accommodation and meals provided for? So local mormon churches actually provide a kind of communal financial support the young missionaries that serve in their area. Easy with 10% tithing though.
  
  However, can you provide more evidence for the communalism that you say existed in the early church after Pentecost?
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  What is your Favorite coffee, mocha, latte, cap, etc?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i am a rather old fogey on the matter - just black and hot.

  but i like the occasional mocha.. what use of this universal bean is your favorite?

  how many do you drink a week?

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  yaddayadda

  Just a double shot large flat white, and really flat, not too frothy and milky like latte's are (yech). I like a really strong, slightly burnt flavour.
  
  I only have one in the morning. Coffee is very dehydrating to the body and wreaks havoc on the skin.
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  The 144,000 ... is it correct to say that they are "saved" in JW doctrine

  by kwintestal in

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  reading 'the god delusion', dawkins says on page 258:.

  hartung draws attention to the two verses in revelation where the number of those 'sealed' (which some sects such as the jehovah's witnesses, interpret to mean 'saved') is limited to 144,000.. i would not myself used the word 'saved', i'm not sure exactly sure what word i would have used because i don't think the jw's beliefs regarding the 144,000 can be summed up with one word.

  kwin.

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  yaddayadda

  Well, no, I wouldn't expect a raving atheist like Dawkins to have much of a handle at all on Watchtower doctrine.
  
  I believe the Society's line is that the 'sealing' is when they are anointed. They are only 'declared righteous' at that stage, not saved, having received a token in advance of their heavenly calling.
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  Why don't JW friends come over and say hello?

  by JH in

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  i always wondered why jw's didn't stop by to say hello, just to encourage or by friendship?.

  but if i showed up at the hall, after many months, they would be happy to see me, and would come to talk to me, and ask what,s going on in my life as if they were really interested in me.

  so, if they were happy to see me at the hall, why wouldn't they be happy showing up at my place too.. why is it that only the elders come over to see me once in a blue moon?.

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  yaddayadda

  Simple, the organization has them all to busy with the meetings, peddling magazines, marking up the publications, etc, to worry about doing genuinely meaningful acts of Christian kindness.
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  ITHINKISEE Update: My fleshly JW sister says I am Satanic and dangerous

  by ithinkisee in

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  i went to my dad's house for christmas.

  it was the first christmas we celebrated together since i was 5 years old.

  it was my kid's and [freedomloverr's] very first christmas ever.. .

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  yaddayadda

  Her big flaw is in thinking that by turning your back on the organisation you are turning your back on Jehovah. If you still believe in God then it would've really diffused the situation by stating that you still believe in Jehovah. That's what I emphasise to my relatives and it generally works.
  
  Unless of course you no longer believe in Jehovah, but thats your business.
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  Beyond JW, another former Witness site.

  by free2beme in

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  i mentioned one time, on a past thread, that the first former witness site i found was this site called beyond jw and it was run by a man named tim campbell.

  it was not the level of quality of this site, but it had some good information and links and a message board.

  while i did not visit the board, like i visit this one, for a long time i thought it was the only former witness site and got familiar with it.

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  yaddayadda

  Looks like he has simply lost his faith.
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  Pat Robertson Prediction

  by robhic in

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  i didn't see this anywhere here, so thought you might be amused by this story.. i was watching fox news this morning.

  they had a quick story about ole pat robertson predicting a major terrorist strike in the us sometime after september of 2007. millions would be affected (he didn't specify killed or what, just affected...).

  but the kicker was this:.

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  yaddayadda

  Woopdeedoo...
  
  Since 9/11 everyone has suspected its only a matter of time before there is another major terrorist attack on the US. Even the Pentagon admits it.
  
  But God told Pat that it's going to be this year.....ho hum.