for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
Mondo 1,
I figured that much, but let´s not suppose that the people who read several translations and interlinears are morons........clergy done that some couple of years ago and burnt a few people for it.....
You posed a question, loose end still stands, bro.
cheers
Borgia
i thought you guys might get a hoot out of this letter that i just mailed..... dear elders (or should i call you glorious ones?).
you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can never fool all the people all the time.
and you certainly do not have me fooled anymore.
hehehehehehehehe..he said F#%k you....hehehehehe
LOL
Cheers
Borgia
for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
Narkissos, Narkissos,
You rock man. You show some real clarity of reasoning. Superb! I enjoyed that very much.
But to pick up on a loose end....Mondo 1, you mentioned John 14:9: eimi being translated with have been in one translation and others with am.
Nice example.
LITV: Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Am I so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one seeing Me has seen the Father! And how do you say, Show us the Father?
ISV:Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
NWT:John 14:9 Jesus said to him: “Have I been with YOU men so long a time, and yet, Philip, you have not come to know me? He that has seen me has seen the Father [also]. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
I checked on other languages also and there are reputed translations which render the text in present tense. Others render it in the perfect tense.
What bearing have these two different renderings on the meaning? I fail to see it but maybe you can pint out the "dishonesty", as you phrased it, in either of them. How about the insertion, excuse me, interpolation of the word [also].
Clearly, this word needed to be added to clarify the meaning. Now, tell me what in your view is dishonest...
Cheers
Borgia
<!-- .style2 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } .style3 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #037bd1; } --> farewell, good luck, amensaying goodbye from the wanderer i want to say thank you to those individuals who reached out to .
me during these past two months.
for all the help you have given me and to each other.. time to move on in life i have decided that after nearly 100 written articles that this will.
Richard, I have come to value you as a man of thoughtprovoking questions and themes.
Considering the fact that you sign your goodbye with your name, I have the feeling you said goodbye to the wanderer yourself (maybe to a certain level). Am I right?
Anyway, thank you for your participation. You have been a great help to me, too. God Bless
Cheers
Borgia
i was just going through my copy of the autumn 2005 journal of church and state.
have there been any lawsuits filed or updates?
Mary...ROFL
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Borgia
lets say that a jw tells an elder that he prays and nothing happens.
then he tells the elder, that after praying so often and asking for reasonable things, i don't believe anymore that god answers prayers, because i was honest in my prayer and god didn't grant me what i wanted.
i was just wondering if an elder could see this as "lack of faith", which then could be a good reason to disfellowship someone.. .
it does but then again the context shows that Paul applies it to babtism.....
Cheers
Borgia
i've been on here nearly 5-6 years (as you can see by my profile) but hardly ever post.
for years i was satisfied with reading your stories and commenting occasionally, all the while telling myself that i was still a dub and would never change.
at the beginning, i was really just curious and also wandering if people out there grew up like i did (in an orwellian hell), and had experienced what i had experienced.
The constant reminder in te back of your head and may be just the gut feeling that you may be on the wrong path here....wow...that takes a lot of energy and strength to cope with everyday.
Question: Is having a relationship with God important to you? Do you recognize that Jesus is the way? May be you say NOW: yes and may be later on NO. point is: Christian message is: if you believe the role of Jesus that is sufficient to be saved (grace) All else is pointless.
Another point of observation: God and Jesus are entities with eternity behind and in front of them. Your life has only been What? 30 odd years? You are negotiating on a total different scale here. So, please, take a moment to consider to beauty of the basic christian message: salvation by faith.
I myself have come to the point of having agnostic tendencies. That does not prevent me from seeing the beauty of certain ideas. On www.channelc.org, you will find several people on the road to reconcilliation of their faith, feelings and conscience. Some of those are good friends of the writer of the book you are now reading. You may find some additional support there.
For now, I wish you strength to face it boldly.
Cheers
Borgia
i guess i wasn't surprised yesterday to find a letter size envelope from my mom in my mail box.
i didn't have to be psychic to figure out that it was the new tract.
she was also "nice" enough to include a watchtower from sept (i think 06) entitled "when a loved one leaves jehovah" and of course he underlined many points for me.
Yeah, the end is right around the corner for them....and they realize it. So, Would it be wrong to be friendly to them, instead of widening the gap, maybe offering an opening to meet with their grandchild.....?
Cheers
Borgia
this was taken off the jw-media website
conscience
jehovah's witnesses avoid making rules and regulations beyond those provided in the scriptures, and they do not follow traditions that contradict bible teachings.
Actually, they found their rules on the bible or bible principles.......They are pharisee look a like in that their rules are contrary to christian spirit, not necesarily biblical spirit which is primarily legal in nature....so I basically have to agree with them. What I do diagree with is that bible trained conscience part......it should read: WT - trained - conscience since one cannot understand the bible properly without their literature.........hence the bible based rules........ OMG...it's swindling...such circle reasonings..
Cheers
Borgia
there has been talk about wt imagery and the use of subtle hypnotism during meetings.. we had a co who very forcefully wanted the piano players axed and the canned music used for the singing.. has there been any studies done to find sub-harmonic messages hidden in the music?.
paranoia and conspiracy artists may now address.
thanks.
Most of the lyrics are aimed at centering the org, centering preaching and being submisive. It´s a pity Theo Van Gogh is dead.......
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Borgia
