in my wanderings around the net i have discovered some very interesting things.
this particular piece is based on a training session for colporteurs during the believers in the atonement sacrifice of christ convention held in ashbury park new jersey july 22-29, 1906. .
i will bold some of their comments that i found interesting and will add my comments in red.
The things you just provided have a huge bearing on the things written in the proclaimers book. I would especially like to know what bearing this has on the refusal of certain elders not to partake in the sale scheme of books and then finding themselves removed by good ole Booze !
Cheers
Borgia
in my wanderings around the net i have discovered some very interesting things.
this particular piece is based on a training session for colporteurs during the believers in the atonement sacrifice of christ convention held in ashbury park new jersey july 22-29, 1906. .
i will bold some of their comments that i found interesting and will add my comments in red.
I have recently finished reading through "Merchants of deceptions". (it is a life story about AMWAY) I was stunned at the mixture of commerce and religion.
Reading the above portions provided by lady lee shows how religions is mixed with commerce.
The elements or igredients are all the same in both cases. Only the emphasis is on different topics. Wow, really, it has been a cult fromnits inception!
cheers
Borgia
Hi +
Ich fand die analogie der jungfrau von Lotharingen sehr einleuchtend. "Woher hast du die Idee daB Gott dich zu etwas bracht?
English: I found the analogy of the maid of lorraine (maid of orleans) quite fitting. Especially the Phrase: Where did you get the idea God would be in need of someone like you?
Pretty!
Cheers
Borgia
i am sure there has been a thread about this but i downloaded skype - (free) and i have a webcam and a microphone so i can call friends and family in europe who also have skype and i can talk and see them free of charge - really cool.
anyone of you guys got skype?
I´ve used it for several years now, and it works great. Especially when calling inside the SKYPE community. However, lately I found the sound quality to be not so good and switched to windows live and tried yahoo. Which were all great as well. With Skype it is possible to get a regular number people with a regular phone can call (whether cell, land or satelite) Viopbuster has the same capabilities as Skype and tends to be cheaper on calling outside the community itself (land and cell). Up till now, I found Voxbone to be the one with the most European options to get regular phonenumbers. However, their prices are not so much aimed at the vast majority of people. It would be fun to have a real chat. If anyone want my id. just give me a pm. cheers Borgia
here's a snippet from a letter my sister in law recently wrote my wife.
enjoy:.
hope you two are doing well!.
Can you get the name of the person who said that in his talk?
Cheers
Borgia
warning: the wtbts is becoming more cultish as evidenced in this mp3.
listener take heed.
turn on all your cult warning alarms on.. .
BSTNDance
That´s one of my favorites scenes of that movie! Great.
Anyone want to fill me in on who this rayford guy is?
Cheers
Borgia
i was just wondering how many ex-jws still read wt literature and if so why.
i have noticed alot of posters here know what the lastest wt or awake magazines are talking about and i was just wondering why do you bother to read that stuff since you left the wt?
I only read the WT articles on sundays at the meetings sitting next to the misses. I have had enough shit fed in the previous 30 years to last a lifetime.
Although it helps to tease others to be in the know!
Cheers
Borgia
http://www.sektenausstieg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&itemid=29.
the memorial attendance for 1928 is listed as 17,380. this shows that at least 75% percent of the watchtower members left after rutherford lied to them.. i was wondering where the above site gets it's source from ??
i always thought the wts was embarrased to publish numbers when there was a decrease.. maybe someone of you know what wts publication these numbers came from?.
May be the light flashed for them earlier and figured out they were no annointed after all, hence drop of 70.000!
Cheers
Borgia
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witnesses.
he believes that many individuals leave the truth because it is hard; and they look for any miscue to escape the organization and their responsibility to god.
He may have a point considering that he still thinks, acts, and conducts himself in the “Watchtower” mind-set.
He may?
I suppose there are who feel the rules to be to stringent or utterly useless at all. Being ethical has absolutely nothing to do with the bible as a whole.
And on occasion, yes, there may have been some who wish to do all God has forbidden.
So what, does that make the WTS side of things more the Trooth?
So, he may? no, he may not! I wonder, wanderer......Do you really think he has a point?
Cheers
Borgia
i decided to take the advice of some of you here when i wrote about my situation.. i am married, but my wife is a die hard witness.
despite me showing her mountains of evidence and her actually accepting it, she is regressing back into jw think.. this has happened since i stopped mentioning anything anti-jw.. now she thinks that my problems with jw's were just a phase because i am not bringing up the issue anymore.. i really want to leave this religion, but i can't do that without losing her.. many here i know are trapped and some are still serving as elders.
i don't know how you do it, but i guess routine is routine.
@ Gill, did you experience keeping your 3 kids in line by yourself during the meetings as a burden?
Did you wish your husband were there to support you?
Did any of the cong help you?
I think you now could perfectly see through the shallowness of their 'love'. I suppose you would have had a different opinion if your cong were a real nice place to go to, were all members talk to each other and help out.
In my case my wife has to keep those 2 little rascals of mine in line without me. Oftentimes, she comes home with stories about the way my son behaved. But she also relates about the help she gets. And I agree with her, it is a lovely cong. Probably the best I´ve seen in 40 years.
So, in her case, she will not see the light through lack of love. She sometimes complains about my facial expression during sunday meetings when she sees me disagreeing with some utter BS in the WT, and she complains it sticks with her and she does not like it. "mistakes" alibi bigtime. It´s still J-sOrg, she insists on that. However, at closer examination she found out that the two of us do not feel so much different about a great deal of things. It´s just she does not consider them to be dealbreakers. But I know there are and at this point in time I do not see them fulfilled.
@Truthseeker: What makes you so sure she will turn you in? Did she explicitly say that?
Cheers
Borgia
